Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:g5qauq$va$1@aioe.org:

> At 18 Jul 2008 14:18:46 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
>> > I'd like a smart-phone with WiFi. That limits me
>> > two two choices from Verizon. Neither has a good browser like the
>> > iPhone, but actually what's more important to me is the ability to
>> > create, edit, and store Word and Excel documents.
>>
>> None of the Sellphone carriers are going to be selling anything that
>> does more than email, SMS and webpages they can control and RESELL.
>
> Here we go again....
>

Yep. Why do you defend them like you do? You know goddamned well none
of them ever got over selling bandwidth by the byte.

Right today they are trying to scram the FCC's initiative to provide
free wireless internet across the country. The news is on phonescoop.

>
>> If they let
>> you have word processing, database access, big spreadsheets of
>> important numbers, that will use BANDWIDTH, which Sellphone companies
>> now oppose because they cannot sell it for a dollar a megabyte any
>> more. So, they simply don't sell any device that uses serious
>> bandwidth.
>
> You do realize that a very good number of smartphones include the
> ability to edit and create documents out of the box, right? The WinMo
> phones do, as do most Palm-based phones.

And they all have a keyboard you can type 80wpm on because they support
Bluetooth HID for the portable keyboards....AFTER the carrier gets done
screwing around with the hobbling, right? Or, are you saying we're
going to do word processing on that little thumb keyboard at 5wpm??

>
> Unrestricted access to POP/IMAP e-mail is also a function of
> smartphones.

I said they all support email....providing, of course, it doesn't have
an 8MB MP3 attached to it you want to play on the phone....

>
>> They put useless
>> little browsers on the phones that won't really display a real
>> webpage BECAUSE a real webpage, with all the spam Flash movies, giant
>> moving GIF files, ad after ad after ad of huge color pictures and
>> embedded JAVA/javascript USES BANDWIDTH. That's why WAP was
>> invented. It uses no bandwidth and has no ads to suck up the
>> sellphone revenue.
>
> WAP was invented as a workable web solution when phones had 128x128
> pixel monochrome displays and connected to the web at 14.4kbps.
> Plenty of phones have decent browsers, although most not up to iPhone
> qualit - IE Mobile on WinMo, Blazer on Palm, Blackbetrry, Opera's Mini
> and Mobile, etc.
>
So? Why are we STILL renting out WAP browsers like the shit on my ROKR
Z6m Alltel wants $4/mo to look at? Seems like those days on 14.4Kbps
should be over by now!

>
>> The only mobile solution, so far until WiMax or something similar
> emerges,
>> is a tethered device, cable or bluetooth, to get the computer out of
>> the clutches of the sellphone company bean counters...or is that byte
>> counters??
>
>
> How does that help? Most carrier restrictions are at the network
> level- blocked ports, download limits, etc. Most carriers (Sprint,
> Verizon, AT&T) also charge extra for tethering.

Because, once the COMPUTER is out of the clutches of the greedy bastards
that run sellphone companies, the COMPUTER cannot be hobbled up by them.
No, I'm not talking about the HOBBLING done by Verizon as you are forced
to install their goddamned hobbleware just to get an aircard to work,
either. I'm talking about a computer that requires NOTHING from the
carriers to be installed for it to function. Those computers are free
of hobbleware so you can use any program that will run on their OS, even
the full version if you like, creating monster files to transfer.

>
>
>> Sellphone carriers have been very successful in thwarting this
>> end run around their control by removing any tethering firmware and
>> any Bluetooth interconnecting protocols, such as DUN, from the
>> phone's capabilities.
>
>
> No, SOME CARRIERS. Others do not remove capabilities, or at least do
> not on high-end phones.
>
> And, as you've been told dozens of times, GSM carriers don't restrict
> the handsets you can use to their own branded handsets. You can buy
> uncrippled handsets, never touched by the carrier's "enhancements" or
> sofware, directly from manufacturers like Nokia, Motorola or HTC and
> use them on GSM networks.

I don't want to buy "uncrippled handsets", as you put it, off ebay or
from some hacker. The handsets the CARRIERS sell are hobbled
up...except for Alltel, but they've cured that problem when the assholes
at Verizon take over and ruin it.

>
>> Verizon seems the worst hobbler in the den. Most users
>> aren't savvy enough to hack the phones to restore functions, but for
>> the few who do we'll let the system keep a sharp eye out for
>> "abusers" and convince the dumbest amoung us that if they see an
>> "abuser" using
> bandwidth
>> he's, somehow, going to trash their own service, a tactic that seems
>> to work very well.
>>
>> $20 to $60 for email and webpages is very profitable. You can sell
>> the same bandwidth to a thousand people because they get really bored
>> with
> the
>> webpages fast and TURN IT OFF, exactly what the carriers want.
>>
>> They don't have a good browser for a REASON, not because they're not
>> capable of running it. Hell, I'm running Firefox 3 for Linux on the
> Nokia
>> N800, plugins and all!
>
> Good for you. For the gazillionth time, look at the celular world
> beyond your own carrier and it isn't as restrictive as you think.
>
> My handset (an AT&T Tilt unlocked on T-Mobile) can edit documents,
> send unlimited e-mai , has four different browsers on it including one
> that does flash, and, beside "webpage spam and e-mail" handles NNTP
> (usenet,) video and audio streaming, and runs both Skype and SIP VoIP-
> all on the device, all without tethering. All on a handset sold by a
> big, bad, "sellular" company.

Good, I'll email you some music tonight and we'll see how well it sounds
on your Tilt. Oh, wait, you have a HACKED Tilt on T-mobile, EXACTLY the
kind of hacking the average sellphone user has no idea how to
accomplish.

Before you hacked into it, would the Tilt on ATT:

1 - Tether to any Bluetooth device using BT DUN?

2 - Stream audio from Shoutcast?

3 - Stream video from Sky News?

4 - Run Skype BEFORE you hacked into it?

Horseshit.