N95 and Satnav software problem ??

Greece: Rhodes Island (Rhodes)

Knut
Norway


"NightStalker" <Nightstalker@somewhere.or.other> skrev i melding
news:MPG.21d2f4ea5f7b6aa998986d@news-europe.giganews.com...
> In article <cucgm3d8n1g5oecev6ec3ji7il58cd647i@4ax.com>,
> chris_blunt@spamfence.net says...
>>
>> The Nokia maps are fine in some countries, but there are many parts of
>> the world where they are so lacking in detail to be almost useless.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Have you actually downloaded the maps for these areas? I have been on
> around the world trips twice this year, including countries like
> Luxembourg, Hungary, and many others. I downloaded the maps prior to
> going, and never had a problem. I suppose if you're looking for a
> street map of Vanuatu or somewhere, then there may be a problem - I
> haven't tried. But I haven't found a gap in the coverage yet, of any
> significance.
>
> Can you give an example of an area where the maps are so lacking in
> detail to be almost useless?
>
> Not criticising or doubting you - just curious.
>
> --
>
> NightStalker

In article <3c6ca9af-34c8-462d-8ae4-74f7e1e372c5
@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, mrripcurl@yahoo.com.au says...
> On Dec 19, 10:29 am, NightStalker <Nightstal...@somewhere.or.other>
> wrote:
> > In article <cucgm3d8n1g5oecev6ec3ji7il58cd6...@4ax.com>,
> > chris_bl...@spamfence.net says...
> >
> >
> >
> > > The Nokia maps are fine in some countries, but there are many parts of
> > > the world where they are so lacking in detail to be almost useless.
> >
> > Have you actually downloaded the maps for these areas? I have been on
> > around the world trips twice this year, including countries like
> > Luxembourg, Hungary, and many others. I downloaded the maps prior to
> > going, and never had a problem. I suppose if you're looking for a
> > street map of Vanuatu or somewhere, then there may be a problem - I
> > haven't tried. But I haven't found a gap in the coverage yet, of any
> > significance.
> >
> > Can you give an example of an area where the maps are so lacking in
> > detail to be almost useless?
> >
> > Not criticising or doubting you - just curious.
> >
> > --
> >
> > NightStalker
>
> Try New Zealand. I was over there the other month and whilst it
> guided me along the Auckland Motorway it got very vague whilst
> travelling in the Bay of Plenty. The Guide couldn't find Queen St in
> Auckland either which I found amusing at the time as I was driving
> less than a block from it (and it is the main st in the city CBD).
> The maps weren't useless, they just weren't accurate enough for a
> stranger (luckily for me I know the city well enough to ignore the
> blank spots)
>
> I've also had troubles with it in Wichita, KS for some reason. It
> showed the streets but couldn't find them by name.
>
> I've also had troubles in Sydney, Australia. I live here so I know
> where I'm going, but using the map to go around Woolloomooloo and on
> to the Harbour Bridge might be a problem for someone who was relying
> on it solely, as it's a bit wonky! Or to get from Elizabeth Bay to
> Circular Quay it "uses" a road that doesn't exist! It also tells me
> that Quay St in Haymarket joins Hay Street which it doesn't. It also
> can't find some of the newer parts of Stanhope Gardens but we live in
> hope it will catch up with those sometime this decade (they are only
> about five or six years old at the moment). Just little things, and I
> have to admit that I've never found a perfect GPS road system for the
> city. They are all either slightly out-of-date or add roads where they

OK - points taken. All good points too. But I have had both Navman
and TomTom GPS units, as well as the one in my Toyota Landcruiser
Sahara, and the one in my wife's Mercedes. And they have ALL had
problems similar to those you describe. The one in my Landcruiser tried
to get me to turn into a one-way street the wrong way, it has a blank
area between Ipswich and Boonah here in Queensland (neither of which is
all that far out of Brisbane). There are numerous non-existent roads on
the map, and existing roads that are missing. I have seen this with all
of the above-mentioned GPS units.

Given that they all buy their maps from third parties, such as Navtech,
Whereis, etc etc - then the problem is with the mapping companies. All
that TomTom and co do is apply their navigation algorithms to the maps.
So I'm not sure how putting TomTom or Garmin software on the N95 is
going to help. If you want it to work with the Nokia maps, then the
problems you describe above will remain. If you want to put the TomTom
maps, for example, on the N95, then that too will have its problems
related to the accuracy or otherwise of the underlying maps - Navtech,
Whereis, etc.

I would suspect - but don't know for sure - that the Nokia maps may be
updated somewhat more frequently than the Whereis maps, which are only
updated every 2 years, for example.

The problems you describe are inherent in the underlying mapping, not
the software used to compute the navigation.
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NightStalker

In article <k6qhm3ta3u31bd0e4nu932k45goit3q4np@4ax.com>,
chris_blunt@spamfence.net says...
>
> I live in Manila, and the maps of that city only show a few of the
> major roads, which makes it quite useless for navigating. In other
> parts of the Philippines outside of the major cities its even worse.
>
> I believe the same would be true of any country that doesn't have maps
> shown as being available under Nokia Map Loader.
>
> Chris
>
>

And does TomTom, Navman or Garmin have better maps of those areas?

If so, then yes - there IS a point in trying to get them to work on the
N95.

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NightStalker

In article <1f-dnfvD8_Cq9vTa4p2dnAA@telenor.com>, knknut2@online.no
says...
>
> Greece: Rhodes Island (Rhodes)
>
> Knut
> Norway
>
>
>

See reply to Chris Blunt above

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NightStalker

thelane wrote:
> Is there any software that is compatible with an N95 that uses the
> onboard GPS. Garmin, Route66 or any others.
>
> TomTom6 does not, until it brings out another version/patch.
Route 66 has the latest version patched, so it works fine with the
internal GPS.

On Dec 20, 8:26 pm, NightStalker <Nightstal...@somewhere.or.other>
wrote:
> In article <3c6ca9af-34c8-462d-8ae4-74f7e1e372c5
> @e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, mrripc...@yahoo.com.au says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 10:29 am, NightStalker <Nightstal...@somewhere.or.other>
> > wrote:
> > > In article <cucgm3d8n1g5oecev6ec3ji7il58cd6...@4ax.com>,
> > > chris_bl...@spamfence.net says...
>
> > > > The Nokia maps are fine in some countries, but there are many parts of
> > > > the world where they are so lacking in detail to be almost useless.
>
> > > Have you actually downloaded the maps for these areas? I have been on
> > > around the world trips twice this year, including countries like
> > > Luxembourg, Hungary, and many others. I downloaded the maps prior to
> > > going, and never had a problem. I suppose if you're looking for a
> > > street map of Vanuatu or somewhere, then there may be a problem - I
> > > haven't tried. But I haven't found a gap in the coverage yet, of any
> > > significance.
>
> > > Can you give an example of an area where the maps are so lacking in
> > > detail to be almost useless?
>
> > > Not criticising or doubting you - just curious.
>
> > > --
>
> > > NightStalker
>
> > Try New Zealand. I was over there the other month and whilst it
> > guided me along the Auckland Motorway it got very vague whilst
> > travelling in the Bay of Plenty. The Guide couldn't find Queen St in
> > Auckland either which I found amusing at the time as I was driving
> > less than a block from it (and it is the main st in the city CBD).
> > The maps weren't useless, they just weren't accurate enough for a
> > stranger (luckily for me I know the city well enough to ignore the
> > blank spots)
>
> > I've also had troubles with it in Wichita, KS for some reason. It
> > showed the streets but couldn't find them by name.
>
> > I've also had troubles in Sydney, Australia. I live here so I know
> > where I'm going, but using the map to go around Woolloomooloo and on
> > to the Harbour Bridge might be a problem for someone who was relying
> > on it solely, as it's a bit wonky! Or to get from Elizabeth Bay to
> > Circular Quay it "uses" a road that doesn't exist! It also tells me
> > that Quay St in Haymarket joins Hay Street which it doesn't. It also
> > can't find some of the newer parts of Stanhope Gardens but we live in
> > hope it will catch up with those sometime this decade (they are only
> > about five or six years old at the moment). Just little things, and I
> > have to admit that I've never found a perfect GPS road system for the
> > city. They are all either slightly out-of-date or add roads where they
>
> OK - points taken. All good points too. But I have had both Navman
> and TomTom GPS units, as well as the one in my Toyota Landcruiser
> Sahara, and the one in my wife's Mercedes. And they have ALL had
> problems similar to those you describe. The one in my Landcruiser tried
> to get me to turn into a one-way street the wrong way, it has a blank
> area between Ipswich and Boonah here in Queensland (neither of which is
> all that far out of Brisbane). There are numerous non-existent roads on
> the map, and existing roads that are missing. I have seen this with all
> of the above-mentioned GPS units.
>
> Given that they all buy their maps from third parties, such as Navtech,
> Whereis, etc etc - then the problem is with the mapping companies. All
> that TomTom and co do is apply their navigation algorithms to the maps.
> So I'm not sure how putting TomTom or Garmin software on the N95 is
> going to help. If you want it to work with the Nokia maps, then the
> problems you describe above will remain. If you want to put the TomTom
> maps, for example, on the N95, then that too will have its problems
> related to the accuracy or otherwise of the underlying maps - Navtech,
> Whereis, etc.
>
> I would suspect - but don't know for sure - that the Nokia maps may be
> updated somewhat more frequently than the Whereis maps, which are only
> updated every 2 years, for example.
>
> The problems you describe are inherent in the underlying mapping, not
> the software used to compute the navigation.
> --
>
> NightStalker- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think NightStalker that it is the other way around with regard to
map updating. I'm sure I'll soon be corrected if I'm wrong but Nokia
maps don't get updated all that often, and in some cases haven't been
updated for years by smart2go (or whatever their name was). Some areas/
countries I believe have been done quite recently, but others haven't.
In Oz, whereis claim to have updated most of their areas in the past
year (I haven't verified that, I've just taken their word for it), and
sensis who actually provide the mapping do so for most of the major
software suppliers Except Nokia. Whatever the case, there will always
be gaps in most mapping systems that is presumably why some people
want multiple mapping systems on their N95 (or whatever) so that
hopefully they can switch systems when they run into blank spaces or
obviously erroneous data.

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:28:16 +1000, NightStalker
<Nightstalker@somewhere.or.other> wrote:

>In article <k6qhm3ta3u31bd0e4nu932k45goit3q4np@4ax.com>,
>chris_blunt@spamfence.net says...
>>
>> I live in Manila, and the maps of that city only show a few of the
>> major roads, which makes it quite useless for navigating. In other
>> parts of the Philippines outside of the major cities its even worse.
>>
>> I believe the same would be true of any country that doesn't have maps
>> shown as being available under Nokia Map Loader.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>
>And does TomTom, Navman or Garmin have better maps of those areas?

TomTom has no maps at all for the Philippines. Not sure about the
others.

Chris

"ChrisM" <chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:GdydndniZf6hafXaRVnyhAA@bt.com...

>> Having used the Tom-Tom maps to drive by, I certainly wouldn't trust
>> their accuracy walking in mountainous terrain.
>
> But surely they are designed to be used for driving and not for walking...
> or is that your point?

Sort of. I understand they are intended primarily for road use, but finding
that the road maps contain some inaccurate information I would not trust
them for walking up mountains.

> I know you can get special 'walkers' GPS systems that display (what looks
> like) the UK OS Landranger series of maps...

Yes, a proper tool for the purpose.

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

Route66 version545 can use N95 GPS, but you need to sign the sw
before you install it;

and N95 nokia map is good, but the navigation is not free you need to
pay for that;

In article <2dc0a06f-bbeb-4f87-b4bb-70dfeba3c113
@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, zoulingchen@gmail.com says...
>
> and N95 nokia map is good, but the navigation is not free you need to
> pay for that;
>
>

It's only the voice-guided navigation you have to pay for, when you need
it. "Standard" navigation - you need to look at the screen for the
route guidance - is free and comes as part of the software.

I find that I only need voice-guided navigation very occasionally, and I
just pay for a day or a week, straight onto my phone bill.

I have the luxury of a wife sitting beside me in the car, and her voice-
guided navigation works just fine!

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NightStalker