Re: Apple To Allow Third Party Apps ON iPhone

Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:

> Well, duh! What did you expect? The iPhone is a high-end iPod that is
> also a phone and Internet access device. As such, it is first and
> foremost an iPod. Telephony and Internet are afterthoughts.

Mark Crispin, always the clueless wonder. The iPod is the afterthought,
the phone is a marvel, best in class of any smartphone. The internet is
the "primary" focus.

> > I still got one despite all this because I wanted the big screen with
> > Google Maps and a full(er) browser, but it was a compromise for me.
>
> It is not only not a particular good phone, it also is not a particularly
> good Internet access device. The screen resolution is too tiny.

Don't you realize with a flick of two fingers you can increase the size
of any page on the web? And these are REAL pages, not crappy "phone"
sized pages... but the REAL way you see it. Plus you much better
resolution on the iPhone compared to any other smartphone. Everything is
crisp and clear.

> The Nokia N800 or a UMPC (such as the Sony UX series) make much better
> Internet access devices. Nobody who has either a Nokia N800 or UMPC is
> particularly impressed with the iPhone's Internet capability. What's
> more, both are open platforms: Linux on the Nokia N800 (and you can
> develop your own applications for it) and Windows on a UMPC.

Only if you don't have a lot of demands. The N800 is like looking at a
decade old device compared to the iPhone. And linux on a phone will
never take off, it's just not a robust enough platform for such a small
device. The graphics alone make a linux based phone unusable.

> > The iPhone could be so much more than what it is.
>
> Of course, but it won't; Steve Jobs wants to make it as cheaply as
> possible and sell for as much as possible.

As of this moment the iPhone is the best built smart phone in the world,
best batter life, thinnest, best screen, etc, etc. And it's the cheapest!

The fat openmoko has a tiny screen, poor battery life, and is going to
be $450 with less than HALF the iPhone features.

> Apple is absolutely NOT interested in having open development for the
> iPhone. They made that abundantly clear.

Apple is more concerned with making a USABLE phone by millions, so that
means developers must step up to a higher level and not try and cheat
the user like Linux and Nokia love to do.

Mark, you are clearly out of touch with what is happening. The iPhone
will be the primary phone for the next 20 years or so, so LEARN to
develop for it... it's PURE UNIX under the hood, not amateurish Linux.

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lubecki@hotmail.com wrote in news:1192803855.482134.73640
@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> I still got one despite all this because I wanted the big screen with
> Google Maps and a full(er) browser, but it was a compromise for me.
> The iPhone could be so much more than what it is.
>
>

http://europe.nokia.com/A4579471

Nokia's Linux Maemo OS2008 for the N800 and new N810 (slideout keyboard),
has a great looking map program that upgrades to Wayfinder premium service.

Click MAP to take a look.

I just bought the N800 and installed two 8GB SDHC cards in it. Fantastic
Linux box on OS2007 and I'll upgrade to OS2008 for the new toys asap....(c;

Larry
--
OS2007 comes with Opera 8 and Flash 9. The only thing missing is JAVA
support. OS2008 is switching to Firefox, whos mozilla engine I'm already
running under 2007 as a free download. Opera is slower but does some
things better because it has an optimization server Opera connects to to
optimize some webpages to the 800 pixel wide screen. Both work great.
Webpages look like webpages, not a confusing series of out-of-place stuff
you can't read. 800 pixel width is the N800's greatest browser feature.

Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
53CA6A.10215119102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:

> Only if you don't have a lot of demands. The N800 is like looking at a
> decade old device compared to the iPhone. And linux on a phone will
> never take off, it's just not a robust enough platform for such a small
> device. The graphics alone make a linux based phone unusable.
>

Er, ah, many phones run Linux as their OS, and have for a long time.
Nokia is quite committed to Linux. So are others.

I'm more interested in your "decade old device" comment. How so,
specifically? Because it's not a carrier-controlled Sellphone device?
Because it has a changeable battery and runs 8 hours connected if you
turn the display down to half? Because it has two 8GB SDHC memory cards
I can plug into my computer to load files for it? Because I control what
it does, not Apple and ATT bureaucrats? Because it has speakers like a
laptop in stereo? Because it has buttons to do many things without
searching and clicking? Because it upgrades from a WinXP box a whole new
operating system, IN MY HOUSE, in 7 minutes from a WinXP/Vista program
that does a whole bootloader level upgrade....even if you pull the plug
while it's upgrading and just do it over again without returning it to
Apple?

Can you run Skype? Googletalk with a webcam? Where's the webcam pop out
of, anyway. This "decade old device" has one that even rotates.

Tell me more! Ok, I can't spread my fingers and get its vagina to open
wider. I have to use a button on top...big deal...(c; Finger/stylus
scrolling works like yours. At 800 pixel browser width, that's without
reloading on the Nokias. How wide was your screen?

Then, there's this other "decade old" idea:
http://maemo.org/
Welcome to OUR world....
http://www.internettablettalk.com/


Larry
--
http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578
http://europe.nokia.com/A4579470
I can choose if I want a real keyboard...N810 out soon!

Here's why the N800 has so many "buttons"....(c;
http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/quetoo/
How you gonna play Quake 2 without them??

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.t-mobile.]
On 2007-10-19, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Er, ah, many phones run Linux as their OS, and have for a long time.
> Nokia is quite committed to Linux. So are others.

That's right. Motorola has come out with some Linux-based phones too. I
had not heard about Linux on Nokias though; most Nokias have traditionally
run Symbian OS. If they're migrating to Linux, that's very cool.

--
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Wahoo! Indians beat New York to advance to the AL Championship Series!
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Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> N810
> http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578
>
> Maemo OS2008
> http://europe.nokia.com/A4579471
>
> Looking at N810, I think I made the right choice with the $222 N800. The
> N810 keyboard makes it much thicker, gotta be heavier and they took the
> great speakers off the FRONT, where speakers belong.
>
> Can't wait to see the new toys in OS2008 on the N800....(c;

you probably won't see many "toys" for these devices, they seem quite
limited in many ways, plus you won't have the large development
community behind them like you do with the iPhone.

you probably wasted your money, but for $222, it's a throw away item
anyway. sell it on ebay in a year for $140, get an iPhone for $199 and
then get on with life.

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> > Only if you don't have a lot of demands. The N800 is like looking at a
> > decade old device compared to the iPhone. And linux on a phone will
> > never take off, it's just not a robust enough platform for such a small
> > device. The graphics alone make a linux based phone unusable.
> >
>
> Er, ah, many phones run Linux as their OS, and have for a long time.
> Nokia is quite committed to Linux. So are others.

well, not "many" run linux, maybe 4%, but not more than that in the
states.

> I'm more interested in your "decade old device" comment. How so,
> specifically?

very poor build quality, no thought about "design", just slapped
together to make a buck.

> Because it's not a carrier-controlled Sellphone device?

what? it doesn't have Visual Voice mail, doesn't have an iPod built in,
doesn't have a REAL web browser, poor screen rez, etc.

> Because it has a changeable battery and runs 8 hours connected if you
> turn the display down to half?

The iPhone runs 3 times as long, so that's a weakness of the N800 right
there. You can add batteries to the iPhone, it's no different.

> Because it has two 8GB SDHC memory cards

It doesn't COME with those, it comes with 256MB, you have to pay extra
or 8GB, you don't with the iPhone.

> I can plug into my computer to load files for it?

Same with the iPhone.

> Because I control what
> it does, not Apple and ATT bureaucrats?

Not sure what you mean? I have total control over my iPhone, maybe you
don't?

> Because it has speakers like a
> laptop in stereo?

Yes, "as is" the iPhone is mono, but there are 1000's of way to make it
stereo, with the N800, not so much.

> Because it has buttons to do many things without
> searching and clicking?

Not sure what you mean, the iPhone has more buttons than the N800 by a
long shot, and they actually do what you want, not get you mired in poor
UI design like the Nokia people want you to do.

> Because it upgrades from a WinXP box a whole new
> operating system, IN MY HOUSE, in 7 minutes from a WinXP/Vista program
> that does a whole bootloader level upgrade....even if you pull the plug
> while it's upgrading and just do it over again without returning it to
> Apple?

Nobody in their right mind would still be using any Windows based OS, so
you really goofed by bringing up XP. Most modern people use OSX and
iPods or iPhones, the rest kinda have to deal with the past.

All upgrades for the iPhone happen right on your screen, no upgrade
would require sending it to Apple.

> Can you run Skype? Googletalk with a webcam? Where's the webcam pop out
> of, anyway. This "decade old device" has one that even rotates.

Yes, http://s4iphone.com/index_iphone.jsp

The camera stuff is minor, at least Apple gives you a better camera and
a better UI, and a better way to deal with the images. Nokia kinda says
"**** off" when you get an image into your phone.

> Tell me more! Ok, I can't spread my fingers and get its vagina to open
> wider. I have to use a button on top...big deal...(c; Finger/stylus
> scrolling works like yours. At 800 pixel browser width, that's without
> reloading on the Nokias. How wide was your screen?

Someday, Larry you'll move up to an iPhone, but looks like you'll be
living about a decade behind Apple users for the next year or two.

-

Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
99948B.15284819102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:

> you won't have the large development
> community behind them like you do with the iPhone.
>
>

You're absolutely right. Nokia, one of the largest telecom
companies on the planet with 109,871 employees, worldwide, and a
mere 62.77 Billion in revenue can barely compare with such giants
of computing as Apple with 19.3 Billion in revenue and 17,787
employees.

Nokia can't possibly have the talent on board to design a
internet device to go along with their telecommunications
equipment the internet runs on....right?

Where do you guys get so brainwashed? Is there some subliminal
background program in iPods? I must agree, wholeheartedly that
Apple excells in MARKETING, if nothing else.

Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.

Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
0C8A07.15422019102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:

> you have to pay extra
> or 8GB, you don't with the iPhone.
>

You must not have taken too close a look at your MASTERCARD BILL
after being ripped off. You paid a LOT more than $68 for 8GB
locked away in that little box, bud....hee hee.

Larry
--

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2007-10-19, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> You're absolutely right. Nokia, one of the largest telecom
> companies on the planet with 109,871 employees, worldwide,

Larry, allow me please?

Oxford, you idiot.

Nokia is a market leader in wireless phones and they have been for years.
They have a huge developer community. I don't recall whether they're still
the #1 largest cellphone manufacturer in the world, but if not, they're
at least #2 or #3.

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com

Wahoo! Indians beat New York to advance to the AL Championship Series!
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,5871580.story

A couple of words / terms.

YES "brainwashed" - fanatic fanboy is the term.
Gulping down the Apple Kool-Aid.
No facts, just fantasy.

And - HYPE is the word you were looking for.



"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message news:Xns99CECAA864EC3noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...

>
> Where do you guys get so brainwashed? Is there some subliminal
> background program in iPods? I must agree, wholeheartedly that
> Apple excells in MARKETING, if nothing else.