Did Apple just trump AT&T? It appears so...

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> stated in post
elmop-1A461D.20361602122007@nntp1.usenetserver.com on 12/2/07 6:36 PM:

> In article <C378A06B.9C06C%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>> After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
>>> of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.
>>
>> He did not want Jobs to see the famous Xerox tour... and would only do so if
>> under "orders". Atkinson has described that tour as an inspiration and as
>> something that helped them know they were already on the right track. Jobs
>> and company understood the importance of the graphical system far better
>> than did the Xerox management.
>
> close.
>
> Anyway, Jobs and company saw nothing BUT the GUI, and completely missed
> the significance of the network and the printing. COMPLETELY.

And yet Apple was very early in the home networking environment (did
*anyone* beat them to that... think of the old PhoneNet adapters) and they
pretty much created the desktop publishing industry.
>
> Jobs was so blind, it wasn't funny.

Support?


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O x f o r d <iphone@superphone.com> wrote in news:iphone-
214999.16462002122007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
>> in Steve Jobs's world?
>
> After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
> of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.

That's not true, tard boy. Many of us know the answer.

In article <elmop-08F80E.19342702122007@nntp1.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <iphone-214999.16462002122007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>,
> O x f o r d <iphone@superphone.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hey, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
> > > in Steve Jobs's world?
> >
> > After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
> > of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.
>
> You mean, after a search through your underwear and with you sticking
> your head in the sand and refusing to see the answer spoon fed to you,
> YOU haven't come up with the answer.
>
> Hint: the answer isn't in the sand, nor is it in your underwear.

Wikipedia entry:

Adele Goldberg (born July 22, 1945) is a computer scientist who wrote or
co-wrote books on the programming language Smalltalk-80. In the 1970's
she worked for Xerox's PARC laboratory on the Xerox Alto. She refused to
give Steve Jobs a tour of the laboratory unless her superiors would
order her to, which they eventually did.

She is currently working for Neometron, Inc., of Palo Alto, California.
Goldberg was born in Cleveland, Ohio, and grew up in Chicago, Illinois.
In 1994 she was inducted as a Fellow of the Association for Computing
Machinery.

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"David Friedman" <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> stated in post
ddfr-307CA2.19501502122007@sfo.news.speakeasy.net on 12/2/07 8:50 PM:

> In article <elmop-08F80E.19342702122007@nntp1.usenetserver.com>,
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <iphone-214999.16462002122007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>,
>> O x f o r d <iphone@superphone.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Hey, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
>>>> in Steve Jobs's world?
>>>
>>> After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
>>> of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.
>>
>> You mean, after a search through your underwear and with you sticking
>> your head in the sand and refusing to see the answer spoon fed to you,
>> YOU haven't come up with the answer.
>>
>> Hint: the answer isn't in the sand, nor is it in your underwear.
>
> Wikipedia entry:
>
> Adele Goldberg (born July 22, 1945) is a computer scientist who wrote or
> co-wrote books on the programming language Smalltalk-80. In the 1970's
> she worked for Xerox's PARC laboratory on the Xerox Alto. She refused to
> give Steve Jobs a tour of the laboratory unless her superiors would
> order her to, which they eventually did.
>
> She is currently working for Neometron, Inc., of Palo Alto, California.
> Goldberg was born in Cleveland, Ohio, and grew up in Chicago, Illinois.
> In 1994 she was inducted as a Fellow of the Association for Computing
> Machinery.

I think the answer to the question, though, is that Adele is the one who
(grudgingly) gave a short demo of Xerox technology to Jobs and others from
Apple. The value of the demo is under some debate, but clearly it had some
influence on Jobs, Apple, and - ultimately - the home computer market as a
whole.


--
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
--Aldous Huxley

In article <C378D111.9C0CF%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "David Friedman" <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> stated in post
> ddfr-307CA2.19501502122007@sfo.news.speakeasy.net on 12/2/07 8:50 PM:
>
> > In article <elmop-08F80E.19342702122007@nntp1.usenetserver.com>,
> > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <iphone-214999.16462002122007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>,
> >> O x f o r d <iphone@superphone.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Hey, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
> >>>> in Steve Jobs's world?
> >>>
> >>> After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
> >>> of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.
> >>
> >> You mean, after a search through your underwear and with you sticking
> >> your head in the sand and refusing to see the answer spoon fed to you,
> >> YOU haven't come up with the answer.
> >>
> >> Hint: the answer isn't in the sand, nor is it in your underwear.
> >
> > Wikipedia entry:
> >
> > Adele Goldberg (born July 22, 1945) is a computer scientist who wrote or
> > co-wrote books on the programming language Smalltalk-80. In the 1970's
> > she worked for Xerox's PARC laboratory on the Xerox Alto. She refused to
> > give Steve Jobs a tour of the laboratory unless her superiors would
> > order her to, which they eventually did.
> >
> > She is currently working for Neometron, Inc., of Palo Alto, California.
> > Goldberg was born in Cleveland, Ohio, and grew up in Chicago, Illinois.
> > In 1994 she was inducted as a Fellow of the Association for Computing
> > Machinery.
>
> I think the answer to the question, though, is that Adele is the one who
> (grudgingly) gave a short demo of Xerox technology to Jobs and others from
> Apple. The value of the demo is under some debate, but clearly it had some
> influence on Jobs, Apple, and - ultimately - the home computer market as a
> whole.

Hard to tell.

As best I recall, there were two other computer firms doing similar
projects--home computers with graphical interfaces based on the Xerox
Parc work--at the same time as Apple (Atari and Amiga). So if Apple
hadn't done it, perhaps one of those would have taken over the role
Apple actually played.

--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
Published by Baen, in bookstores now

"David Friedman" <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> stated in post
ddfr-AC31D9.22084802122007@sfo.news.speakeasy.net on 12/2/07 11:08 PM:

> In article <C378D111.9C0CF%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> "David Friedman" <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> stated in post
>> ddfr-307CA2.19501502122007@sfo.news.speakeasy.net on 12/2/07 8:50 PM:
>>
>>> In article <elmop-08F80E.19342702122007@nntp1.usenetserver.com>,
>>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <iphone-214999.16462002122007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>,
>>>> O x f o r d <iphone@superphone.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
>>>>>> in Steve Jobs's world?
>>>>>
>>>>> After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
>>>>> of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.
>>>>
>>>> You mean, after a search through your underwear and with you sticking
>>>> your head in the sand and refusing to see the answer spoon fed to you,
>>>> YOU haven't come up with the answer.
>>>>
>>>> Hint: the answer isn't in the sand, nor is it in your underwear.
>>>
>>> Wikipedia entry:
>>>
>>> Adele Goldberg (born July 22, 1945) is a computer scientist who wrote or
>>> co-wrote books on the programming language Smalltalk-80. In the 1970's
>>> she worked for Xerox's PARC laboratory on the Xerox Alto. She refused to
>>> give Steve Jobs a tour of the laboratory unless her superiors would
>>> order her to, which they eventually did.
>>>
>>> She is currently working for Neometron, Inc., of Palo Alto, California.
>>> Goldberg was born in Cleveland, Ohio, and grew up in Chicago, Illinois.
>>> In 1994 she was inducted as a Fellow of the Association for Computing
>>> Machinery.
>>
>> I think the answer to the question, though, is that Adele is the one who
>> (grudgingly) gave a short demo of Xerox technology to Jobs and others from
>> Apple. The value of the demo is under some debate, but clearly it had some
>> influence on Jobs, Apple, and - ultimately - the home computer market as a
>> whole.
>
> Hard to tell.
>
> As best I recall, there were two other computer firms doing similar
> projects--home computers with graphical interfaces based on the Xerox
> Parc work--at the same time as Apple (Atari and Amiga). So if Apple
> hadn't done it, perhaps one of those would have taken over the role
> Apple actually played.

Sure: if Apple never existed we would *not* still be using CLI computers...
we would be using some form of GUI. Still, it was Apple who deserves the
credit, even if someone else likely would have done something relatively
similar had they not.


--
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
--Aldous Huxley

In article <C378EDCD.9C119%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> > As best I recall, there were two other computer firms doing similar
> > projects--home computers with graphical interfaces based on the Xerox
> > Parc work--at the same time as Apple (Atari and Amiga). So if Apple
> > hadn't done it, perhaps one of those would have taken over the role
> > Apple actually played.
>
> Sure: if Apple never existed we would *not* still be using CLI computers...
> we would be using some form of GUI. Still, it was Apple who deserves the
> credit, even if someone else likely would have done something relatively
> similar had they not.
>

Some of the credit. The original work was done at Xerox, and Atari and
Amiga were selling GUI machines at about the same time as Apple,
although they didn't up being as successful.

--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
Published by Baen, in bookstores now

"David Friedman" <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> stated in post
ddfr-F3F9EC.22270302122007@sfo.news.speakeasy.net on 12/2/07 11:27 PM:

> In article <C378EDCD.9C119%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>> As best I recall, there were two other computer firms doing similar
>>> projects--home computers with graphical interfaces based on the Xerox
>>> Parc work--at the same time as Apple (Atari and Amiga). So if Apple
>>> hadn't done it, perhaps one of those would have taken over the role
>>> Apple actually played.
>>
>> Sure: if Apple never existed we would *not* still be using CLI computers...
>> we would be using some form of GUI. Still, it was Apple who deserves the
>> credit, even if someone else likely would have done something relatively
>> similar had they not.
>
> Some of the credit.

Of course. Fair enough.

> The original work was done at Xerox, and Atari and Amiga were selling GUI
> machines at about the same time as Apple, although they didn't up being as
> successful.

And let us not forget our friends at Microsoft: they have helped push the
GUI in some ways as well... though they clearly were not at the forefront
really pushing things. At least not on their own OS, anyway. :)


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In article <C378D111.9C0CF%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> I think the answer to the question, though, is that Adele is the one who
> (grudgingly) gave a short demo of Xerox technology to Jobs and others from
> Apple.

That's half the answer.

In article <C378AE84.9C082%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> > Anyway, Jobs and company saw nothing BUT the GUI, and completely missed
> > the significance of the network and the printing. COMPLETELY.
>
> And yet Apple was very early in the home networking environment (did
> *anyone* beat them to that... think of the old PhoneNet adapters) and they
> pretty much created the desktop publishing industry.
> >
> > Jobs was so blind, it wasn't funny.
>
> Support?
>

Plenty. Just read the record.

I'm waiting for Oxtard to go back to what he was SPOON-FED and read it.

Oh, wait--you're oxtard, aren't you?