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Oxford wrote:

> Dutch <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote:
>
>>>> I had lunch with my former CEO recently, and after we noticed someone
>>>> using an Iphone in the restaurant, I asked him if the company was going
>>>> to consider the new model as a replacement for the nearly 10,000
>>>> Blackberry 8820's and 8830's they're currently using. He asked me if it
>>>> had a camera, and when I said, "Yes", he said, "Then absolutely not!" He
>>>> reminded me of the company's "No cameras allowed" policy, and that he
>>>> couldn't imagine any company dealing with security issues and/or
>>>> government contracts allowing them, any more than many government
>>>> departments will allow them.
>>>
>>> the iPhone camera can be disabled via software.
>>
>> Not good enough for security requirements. If it can be disabled, it can
>> be enabled. The capability can't exist at all.
>
> then get them without the camera. if a company wants 10,000 of them,
> apple will sell them that way. just ask.

When Apple gets smart enough to offer version without a camera to
enterprise users, the way RIM did with the 8800 series, then maybe the
Iphone will merit some consideration.

> or buy a $25 dremel drill for a permanent fix.

Sure, that ought to do wonders for the warranty.

>>>> He said making sure that vendors and other
>>>> visitors check their camera phones with security is a big enough hassle
>>>> as it is, and allowing employees to have them would create a huge
>>>> security risk and extra expense. Good luck with that "enterprise uptake"
>>>> thing, Apple...
>>>
>>> Apple solved that Enterprise concern awhile ago.
>>
>> By ignoring the lack of enterprise users?
>
> apple has given them what they want, central camera disabling, central
> erase, what else do you want them (or any camera vendor) to do?

They'll have to eliminate the camera completely if they want to sell to
the largest market segment in the world. As it is, their target market
is just consumers looking for the latest new gadget. Maybe that's why
AT&T had to give them the largest subsidy of any smartphone. They knew
they couldn't sell them otherwise.

--
Dutch
Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m
tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008

News <News@Group.name> wrote:

> Enuf AAPL "advocacy".
>
> If there is a single reason not to buy a single AAPL product, it is you.
>
> WTF cares about any product advocated by NG shills like you.
>
> If AAPL had a clue they would make sure you were enjoined from pissing
> more people off.

you just can't handle the truth.

someday, you too will move up to a Mac & iPhone, but until then, you'll
continue to suffer with windows & winmobile.

grow up News!

News wrote:

> Oxford wrote:
>
> Enuf AAPL "advocacy".
>
> If there is a single reason not to buy a single AAPL product, it is you.
>
> WTF cares about any product advocated by NG shills like you.
>
> If AAPL had a clue they would make sure you were enjoined from pissing
> more people off.

If I though he was a representative of Apple instead of just a wannabe
sucking on Steve Job's butt, I would never consider owning another Apple
product. As it is, he's completely cured me of any latent desire I might
have had for an Iphone.

--
Dutch
Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m
tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008

In article <apony-4492DB.15591605072008@news.qwest.net>,
Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote:

> > I had lunch with my former CEO recently, and after we noticed someone
> > using an Iphone in the restaurant, I asked him if the company was going
> > to consider the new model as a replacement for the nearly 10,000
> > Blackberry 8820's and 8830's they're currently using. He asked me if it
> > had a camera, and when I said, "Yes", he said, "Then absolutely not!" He
> > reminded me of the company's "No cameras allowed" policy, and that he
> > couldn't imagine any company dealing with security issues and/or
> > government contracts allowing them, any more than many government
> > departments will allow them.
>
> the iPhone camera can be disabled via software.

Tell that to the Marine who refuses to let you into the facility he has
the responsibility for guarding.

Fact: no one will ever believe you when you say "oh, but it's been
disabled in software, don't worry".

Oxford wrote:
> News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
>
>>Enuf AAPL "advocacy".
>>
>>If there is a single reason not to buy a single AAPL product, it is you.
>>
>>WTF cares about any product advocated by NG shills like you.
>>
>>If AAPL had a clue they would make sure you were enjoined from pissing
>>more people off.
>
>
> you just can't handle the truth.
>
> someday, you too will move up to a Mac & iPhone, but until then, you'll
> continue to suffer with windows & winmobile.
>
> grow up News!


QED

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9AD28E25B3C80noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:20d3ff7e-9cd4-4300-a6c9-
> 9bc2d704e176@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> AT&T will sell to volume buyers who are buying five or more from major
>> corporations starting at 5:30 AM so I expect some main AT&T stores to
>> be sold out before the darn doors even open to the general public.
>>
>>
>
> I'm trying to buy a new Smart CDi diesel Smart. All the Smart dealers and
> Smart USA are playing this same game of holding back, trying to create
> demand in a terrible car sales environment by only selling each dealer a
> handful of cars a month....trying to prevent discounting. They'll
> threaten
> to disband any dealer who discounts.
>
> I may have to go to Canada to get the little diesel I can run on used
> vegetable oil like my old Mercedes and stepvan. SmartUSA won't import
> them, another stupid game that's gonna screw our local dealer out of $15K
> of my cash. Pity....it wasn't my decision.
>
> I don't play these bullshit games with anyone....especially dealers,
> FruitFone or Smart.
>
> The diesel Smart gets over 70mpg and is the absolute carbon emission king
> of any car made, including electrics and hybrids when one considers power
> plant emissions caused by electric car charging. An Italian magazine got
> 3.3 litres/100 km fuel consumption on a REAL trip from Italy to Germany
> through the mountains. They made the whole trip on one little tank of
> diesel fuel...(c; The little diesel engine turns under 3000 RPM, because
> diesel injection MUST happen quite slowly, which should produce a car I
> can
> keep for many years. My 1973 Mercedes 220D has only been overhauled once
> since 1972...36 years. I'm growing tired of fighting its body being
> consumed.
>
> Too bad my dealer doesn't want to sell me one. I took wads of $100 bills
> over there and laid them on his desk. I thought he was gonna shit his
> greedy pants....hee hee.

I read that the diesels couldn't be sold in the U.S. as they didn't meet our
emissions standards
>

"Dutch" <buryit@blackholespam.net> wrote in message news:1kcor30n2e31v.dlg@blackholespam.net...
> News wrote:
>
>> Oxford wrote:
>>
>> Enuf AAPL "advocacy".
>>
>> If there is a single reason not to buy a single AAPL product, it is you.
>>
>> WTF cares about any product advocated by NG shills like you.
>>
>> If AAPL had a clue they would make sure you were enjoined from pissing
>> more people off.
>
> If I though he was a representative of Apple instead of just a wannabe
> sucking on Steve Job's butt, I would never consider owning another Apple
> product. As it is, he's completely cured me of any latent desire I might
> have had for an Iphone.
>
> --
> Dutch
> Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m
> tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008

We figured out he was some low level clerk or most likely stockboy at a
backwater Apple store...

With SEVERE delusions of grandeur.. along with the rest of the various
mental illnesses that become quite obvious if one reads the crap he posts.
>

In article <elmop-621286.21013605072008@nntp3.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> > the iPhone camera can be disabled via software.
>
> Tell that to the Marine who refuses to let you into the facility he has
> the responsibility for guarding.
>
> Fact: no one will ever believe you when you say "oh, but it's been
> disabled in software, don't worry".

but in a corporate environment, with corporate issued iphones, it's
plenty.

"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message news:apony-5B55BF.17510805072008@news.qwest.net...
> "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
>
>> > The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is
>> > centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead
>> > starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too compelling.
>>
>> It's statements like the above absurdity that takes you from mere fanboi to
>> complete idiot.
>
> nah, you just aren't a student of history like I am. The Blackberry is
> fast becoming the Diamond Rio, the iPhone is just too popular for them
> to continue.
>
> you'll see!

The only thing I see (and many others) is a clueless, rabid fabboi.
With NOTHING to back up the complete bull shit he spews...
Student of history - my ass. Pre-school, at best. Or short bus...?
>
>> It's one thing talking about a product (or company) you like. It's totally
>> another thing when you
>> pull crap directly out of you ass like the above.
>
> It's based on solid historical research, I'm just the messenger.

You are an idiot - nothing more. Certainly not a "messenger"...
Absolutely no "history" at all to back up anythjing you say.
Not a shred.

>
>> Remember your wi-fi predictions that have crashed and burned?
>> Remember how you po-pooed 3G because your jesus phone didn't have it.
>> I can go on and on recounting the asinine shit you have posted.
>>
>> Bottom line OxTARD - you don't even have an actual clue, do you?
>>
>> STFU and go away - please.
>
> Ah, but my WiFi predictions have come true, a year later you can go
> pretty much anywhere and have free WiFi, and this continues at an ever
> accelerating rate. WiMax continues to gather steam as well, so having
> the slow, battery eating 3G won't matter to most people with iPhones.

BZZZZZT - Wrong!!
Your "WiFi predictions" have NOT come true - the exact opposite. Almost
all of the muni WiFi projects have failed. Crash and burned you dolt.

WiFi has gone nowhere - and it won't. Then you (still) are wrong about 3G.
It (may) be what actually makes a difference worldwide with your beloved
ifruit phone - I find it extremely laughable that the actual thing that (may)
help the damn thing is the thing you are negative about above. More proof
that you don't have even a single clue.

BTW, WiMax is a completely different animal (NOT WiFi) and the jury is out.
Sprint and Clearwire might pull it off - but then your beloved ifruit phone is
exclusively AT&T - it will NEVER work on WiMax in the near future anyway.
You are again very unclear of what you are talking about - as always.

Oxy, you make it so easy!!

"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
news:apony-7BCCD9.20302605072008@news.qwest.net...
> In article <elmop-621286.21013605072008@nntp3.usenetserver.com>,
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> > the iPhone camera can be disabled via software.
>>
>> Tell that to the Marine who refuses to let you into the facility he
>> has
>> the responsibility for guarding.
>>
>> Fact: no one will ever believe you when you say "oh, but it's been
>> disabled in software, don't worry".
>
> but in a corporate environment, with corporate issued iphones, it's
> plenty.

Thank you for that statement. It proves positively that you know nothing
about corporate security. Telling a guard that "it's disabled in
software" will do nothing. If there is a lens on the device, whether
"burnished with a Dremel" or "disabled in software," (your suggestions -
not Apple's) you will not carry it past the guard station. That's like
telling a TSA agent that the gun you're carrying doesn't have a firing
pin. And lest you think that the market for non-camera phones id limited
to a couple hundred thousand, you again prove that you know little, if
anything, about corporate security that affects MILLIONS of employees.

Oxford, I have one question for you for which I already know you will
give a non-responsive answer: In light of the fact that absolutely no
one - not one single post - on any of the many NG's you have posted to
has agreed with anything you have to say why do you continue to spout
such nonsense? Are you being paid to do this? Do you get off on the
abuse? The IPhone is designed for fanbois just like you - be happy, feel
superior to us, and enjoy your new toy du jour. The rest of us luddites
will just continue to toil away in the darkness with products we've
found to meet our own unique needs.

When the first iPhone came out you told us that it was "game over" and
all the other carriers would disappear as well as all the other cell
phone makers. That hasn't happened yet and is not about to anytime
soon. You were wrong then and nothing has changed.