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Old April 9th, 2008, 07:18 PM
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Default Quad-Band V195 $40 from T-Mobile with $25 airtime card

T-Mobile is having a promotion (on-line only, not in stores) of their
prepaid phones with $25 airtime cards included.

The Motorola V195, ($39.99) is a good basic quad-band phone to take
overseas to use with prepaid SIM cards. I bought one (unfortunately
prior to the $25 promotion) and I had it unlocked by an unlocking
service ($15).

I can't use T-Mobile where I live as the coverage is terrible, but it's
a good phone to use with other prepaid GSM services on AT&T's network,
i.e. 7-11 SpeakOut. I was using a very old Motorola P7389 GSM phone
which was problematic because prepaid providers in some countries send
out text messages with passwords, and that phone could not receive text
messages.
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Old April 10th, 2008, 11:19 AM
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Default Quad-Band V195 $40 from T-Mobile with $25 airtime card


In article <47fd4adf$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>T-Mobile is having a promotion (on-line only, not in stores) of their
>prepaid phones with $25 airtime cards included.
>
>The Motorola V195, ($39.99) is a good basic quad-band phone to take
>overseas to use with prepaid SIM cards. I bought one (unfortunately
>prior to the $25 promotion) and I had it unlocked by an unlocking
>service ($15).
>
>I can't use T-Mobile where I live as the coverage is terrible, but it's
>a good phone to use with other prepaid GSM services on AT&T's network,
>i.e. 7-11 SpeakOut. I was using a very old Motorola P7389 GSM phone
>which was problematic because prepaid providers in some countries send
>out text messages with passwords, and that phone could not receive text
>messages.


Have seen some negative comments about this model's high SAR values.


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Old April 10th, 2008, 11:32 AM
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scharf.steven@geemail.com (SMS) wrote in
news:47fd4adf$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> The Motorola V195, ($39.99) is a good basic quad-band phone to take
> overseas to use with prepaid SIM cards. I bought one (unfortunately
> prior to the $25 promotion) and I had it unlocked by an unlocking
> service ($15).


T-Mobile will unlock their phones at no charge if you've been a
customer in good standing for 90 days, and for pre-paid customers,
have added time within the past 30 days.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com
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Old April 10th, 2008, 11:32 AM
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Mike S. wrote:
> In article <47fd4adf$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> T-Mobile is having a promotion (on-line only, not in stores) of their
>> prepaid phones with $25 airtime cards included.
>>
>> The Motorola V195, ($39.99) is a good basic quad-band phone to take
>> overseas to use with prepaid SIM cards. I bought one (unfortunately
>> prior to the $25 promotion) and I had it unlocked by an unlocking
>> service ($15).
>>
>> I can't use T-Mobile where I live as the coverage is terrible, but it's
>> a good phone to use with other prepaid GSM services on AT&T's network,
>> i.e. 7-11 SpeakOut. I was using a very old Motorola P7389 GSM phone
>> which was problematic because prepaid providers in some countries send
>> out text messages with passwords, and that phone could not receive text
>> messages.

>
> Have seen some negative comments about this model's high SAR values.


Yes, it has the maximum allowable. Motorola GSM phones tend to have high
SAR ratings. If it was a phone I used a lot then I'd not get it, but
it's just for very occasional use when traveling to Europe and Asia.

Of course if you really care about exposure to radiation, use CDMA,
which has much less radiation. Especially with the new studies that _do_
show a link between cell phone use and brain cancer risk. Or use a wired
headset.
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Old April 10th, 2008, 05:15 PM
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At 10 Apr 2008 08:26:47 -0700 SMS wrote:

> Of course if you really care about exposure to radiation, use CDMA,
> which has much less radiation.


Do you care to back that up, or is this another of your "unbiased" CDMA vs.
GSM comparisons?

If you actually bother to compare the SAR ratings between GSM and CDMA
phones of the same model, where's the "much less radiation?"

Pulling some Motorola SAR Values (they often make the same phone in both
CDMA and GSM, unlike, say, Nokia) from CNet:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6620_7-....html?tag=lnav ...

You'll see, for example, that the Moto Q9 has a 1.3 W/kg in CDMA vs 1.29 in
GSM, the Razr V9 is 0.52 GSM Vs. 0.71 CDMA, the V3 0.89 vs. 1.14, the Krzr
1.07 (G) vs. 1.03 (C). All pretty close. There are a few big differences
(the old V60 was only 0.42 in CDMA but 1.26 in GSM, yet the Sprint CDMA PTT
version was also 1.26, so I don't know what's up there.)

Even outside Motorola, similar models from other manufacturers seem to have
similar SARs.

Admittedly, while MOST of the "10 highest US models" list were GSM (7 of 10),
ALL of the 10 lowest SAR phones available in the US were GSM.



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Old April 10th, 2008, 05:17 PM
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Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 10 Apr 2008 08:26:47 -0700 SMS wrote:
>
>> Of course if you really care about exposure to radiation, use CDMA,
>> which has much less radiation.

>
> Do you care to back that up, or is this another of your "unbiased" CDMA vs.
> GSM comparisons?


You can learn more about it at "http://www.mobicare.com/news.asp?idNews=4".
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On 2008-04-10, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>> At 10 Apr 2008 08:26:47 -0700 SMS wrote:
>>
>>> Of course if you really care about exposure to radiation, use CDMA,
>>> which has much less radiation.

>>
>> Do you care to back that up, or is this another of your "unbiased" CDMA vs.
>> GSM comparisons?

>
> You can learn more about it at "http://www.mobicare.com/news.asp?idNews=4".


I think I'd trust the actual SAR measurements more than that explanation
of why the SAR measurements should apparently be something else. It also
seems to be a bit confused about peak versus average power output, which
may be the reason why the SAR values in real life aren't like he thinks
they should be.

Dennis Ferguson
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Bert Hyman wrote:
> scharf.steven@geemail.com (SMS) wrote in
> news:47fd4adf$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
>
>> The Motorola V195, ($39.99) is a good basic quad-band phone to take
>> overseas to use with prepaid SIM cards. I bought one (unfortunately
>> prior to the $25 promotion) and I had it unlocked by an unlocking
>> service ($15).

>
> T-Mobile will unlock their phones at no charge if you've been a
> customer in good standing for 90 days, and for pre-paid customers,
> have added time within the past 30 days.
>


Yes, but I couldn't wait for 90 days unfortunately. Also, I probably
won't bother to even activate the T-Mobile service, as the T-Mobile
coverage in my ares is so bad that I can't use it in many areas. I can
stick my 7-11 SpeakOut SIM card into the phone, which makes it work on AT&T.
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In news:47fe9cb7$0$36412$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Bert Hyman wrote:
>> scharf.steven@geemail.com (SMS) wrote in
>> news:47fd4adf$0$36394$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
>>
>>> The Motorola V195, ($39.99) is a good basic quad-band phone to take
>>> overseas to use with prepaid SIM cards. I bought one (unfortunately
>>> prior to the $25 promotion) and I had it unlocked by an unlocking
>>> service ($15).

>>
>> T-Mobile will unlock their phones at no charge if you've been a
>> customer in good standing for 90 days, and for pre-paid customers,
>> have added time within the past 30 days.
>>

>
> Yes, but I couldn't wait for 90 days unfortunately.


In your case, spending just $15 to get it unlocked makes sense.

For folks who might actually be T-Mobile customers, the information
could be useful.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
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Old April 10th, 2008, 10:43 PM
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Bert Hyman wrote:

> For folks who might actually be T-Mobile customers, the information
> could be useful.


It was slightly amusing. The ad on craigslist had an address, which
turned out to be a doughnut shop in San Jose. The unlocker arrived with
a notebook computer, went in the back with the phone, and ten minutes
later came out with it unlocked. I tried three SIMs in it, 7-11 SpeakOut
(AT&T), MaxRoam (worldwide roaming card), and FarEastone (Taiwan) and
all worked.
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