AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

No, "You'll" see.

No sane person will be paying-to-beta in the real world.



Oxford wrote:

> In article <4683C762.8030602@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com> wrote:
>
>
>>No sane individual willingly pays-to-beta bleeding edge appliances.
>
>
> It will work just fine, you'll see.

Oxford wrote:
> "BruceR" <razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Well Oxford, explain to me how a battery that wouldn't hold a charge
>> for more than 24 hours while turned off relates to the fact I use a
>> PC.
>
> Because of the implementation of USB on some PC's it's dicey at best.
> You tried to connect a high quality product (the iPod) to a low end
> device (a PC) so it's clear the PC was at fault here. What brand of PC
> was it?

It is a Sony PC - not low end and the USB ports have not been
problematic.
>
>> While you're at it can you also explain how the fact that it took 4
>> returns and 6 calls to get Apple to finally "fix" the bad battery
>> problem by sending a new unit relates to my using a PC?
>
> But that wasn't related to Apple, they sent you 4 different iPods? and
> the (3,5 one worked) or did you get a new PC / plug it into a
> different USB port in the meantime?

Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3 times
(same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did nothing to
correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th time after I made
calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the same SONY Desktop PC
each time and there is nothing wrong with the PC.
>
> Either way, why people continue to beat themselves up with PC's is
> beyond reason. Get a Mac and live a better life.

That's just arrogant. The PC was not at fault. It works fine with every
other peripheral I have used. Are you saying is that Apple is incapable
of providing a reliable interface to a PC but falsly advertises that
they do? BTW, Apple never pointed to my PC as the problem.
>
>> The iPOD was anything BUT perfect... it had a defective battery and
>> that's why they had to replace it (of course, if the brilliant Apple
>> designers had added a battery door I could have just popped in a new
>> battery but I guess having an easily replaceable battery isn't
>> "modern tech" - just practical).
>
> Replacing a battery on the iPod is easy, but adding a door would
> created consumer quality issues. iPod batteries last a LONG time. 3-5
> years on average, so it's a cheaper, more eco friendly, more reliable
> way to go compared to using old fashioned AA / AAA batteries.
> Spending $19.95 on 1 iPod battery sure beats spending $90 for the
> same power using AA/AAA ones, then you always have to worry about
> running out of power, with an iPod, you just plug it into FireWire or
> USB, done.

Low profile LiOn batteries are available for all kinds of consumer
products. To say that a battery door would create "consumer quality
issues" is just nonsense as vitually every other battery operated
device - including MP3 Players and Mobile phones - have battery doors
that clearly do not create "consumer quality issues." Or are you saying
that Apple is unique in not being able to avoid "creating consumer
quality issues" by adding a battery door? In any case I fail to see how
the addition of a battery door would affect the quality of the consumer
:). As for the cost of batteries, I pay 40 cents for AAA alkaline
batteries that last me about 3 weeks so I spend about $6 a year. I
don't worry about running out of power because I always keep a few
spares in my briefcase. I do not, however, always have a convenient USB
or FW port handy.
>
>> Whether a Dual Core Intel PC or Apple machine is better is a subject
>> for another time and place (as is top vs bottom posting). But based
>> on my experience with Apple service I'll stick with my Sony PC,
>> Sensa MP3.
>>
>> Apple has beautiful if not always practical designs and there is no
>> taking away from the their marketing prowess with the iPOD and the
>> iPhone and even some of their computer designs. But after such a
>> horrendous experience with their service deptartment I'll just have
>> to pass.
>
> Was it Apple's service, or somewhere like Compusa? Just curious.

It was Apple's direct service. They sent boxes - I returned the unit.
They returned the same serial number unit. 3 TIMES. Only after a call to
Apple corporate did they finally send a refurbed unit. Compare that to
when my Sony laptop needed a new keyboard. I walked into the Sony repair
depot, handed them my laptop and receipt and 25 minutes later walked out
with a new keyboard installed. THAT's the kind of service that keeps me
interested in Sony and COULD have kept me interested in Apple.
Actually, had they just fixed it the first time I would have been happy.

I have been using Motorola phones since 1984 and have never had a
service issue or need for any repair. I have changed the low profile
LiOn batteries myself without experiencing any "consumer quality issues"
whatsoever. I continue to remain a high quality consumer.

"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-337529.07234228062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> "Richard Colton" <webmaster@NILSPAMuselessinfo.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Any chance you could crosspost to a few more disintersted groups next
>> time?
>
> no, everyone that this was posted to was interested. you are just
> jealous that you are locked into another servive plan, that's all.

No, I'm not locked into any service plan, nor am I jealous.

> you'll get an iPhone at some point.

Not likely after the fiasco I had with ipods for my kids. I'd rather have a
fully featured phone not locked into proprietry software thanks. Now, if
someone would release a Linux based handset with the features my HTC Hermes
has I could well be convinced to change.

> thanks.

For what?

Fu's set again.
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In article <4683D164.8030100@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com> wrote:

> No, "You'll" see.
>
> No sane person will be paying-to-beta in the real world.

No, you don't understand. Apple doesn't do "beta" tests, they actually
ship the full "complete" product unless they "specifically" say "beta".

The beta program was over this spring for the iPhone. So "you'll" get
the full product, with zero to very, very few bugs.

Apple isn't like other companies in this regard, they have higher
standards. MUCH higher standards, that's why they have such a solid
following.

"You'll get one soon enough" so don't be too jealous right now...

Just a "few" bugs, eh?

So why don't you hold your breath and I'll tell you "soon enough" when
I've decided to beta the product.

You can start.... now.

I'll be back to you when I've decided to beta.

So hold your breath until then....




Oxford wrote:
> In article <4683D164.8030100@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com> wrote:
>
>
>>No, "You'll" see.
>>
>>No sane person will be paying-to-beta in the real world.
>
>
> No, you don't understand. Apple doesn't do "beta" tests, they actually
> ship the full "complete" product unless they "specifically" say "beta".
>
> The beta program was over this spring for the iPhone. So "you'll" get
> the full product, with zero to very, very few bugs.
>
> Apple isn't like other companies in this regard, they have higher
> standards. MUCH higher standards, that's why they have such a solid
> following.
>
> "You'll get one soon enough" so don't be too jealous right now...

If there isn't anything bleeding edge then explain why it will take
others "a half a decade" to introduce something similar? Nokia's roll
out, flexible screen isn't even that far off.

Oxford wrote:
> In article <4683C762.8030602@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com>
> wrote:
>
>> No sane individual willingly pays-to-beta bleeding edge appliances.
>
> there really isn't anything "bleeding edge" on the iphone outside of
> the multi-touch technology which is working quite well.
>
> the iPhone is running OSX so you need to keep that in mind, all the
> battle testing of the phone occurred years ago, so the Apps and
> services will be fine.
>
> Plus AT&T at the request of Apple tested this phone twice as long as
> any phone they have ever tested. It will work just fine, you'll see.

Oxford wrote:
> In article <4683D164.8030100@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com>
> wrote:
>> Apple isn't like other companies in this regard, they have higher
> standards. MUCH higher standards, that's why they have such a solid
> following.
>
> "You'll get one soon enough" so don't be too jealous right now...

"MUCH higher standards?" Can't prove it by my experience.

"BruceR" <razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote:

> If there isn't anything bleeding edge then explain why it will take
> others "a half a decade" to introduce something similar? Nokia's roll
> out, flexible screen isn't even that far off.

first of all, DO NOT TOP post!

it makes you look like a total fool... all usenet replies appear at the
BOTTOM of a reply, or you are dismissed.

Apple has over 200 patents on the iPhone, so it will be at least 17
years before anyone can copy it. Nokia isn't really in the game anymore,
they started it for sure, but they kinda became the IBM, and will leave
the market in the next few years. No way they can compete against Apple
level engineering and design, they simply don't have the resources.

Yes, SONY has shown this flexible screen as well, and Apple showed it
way, way back in 1996/7, so Apple still is the main company that brings
tech to people, so Nokia is pretty much a goner at this point in the
game. They tried, and were good for awhile but they are no match for an
"Apple".

Here's Apple's foldable screen, cira 1996/7

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdS4TscWH8

Your "exposition" on patent law makes you the fool to be dismissed.

Not to mention your mindless MacKop toadying to unproductive convention.



Oxford wrote:

> "BruceR" <razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>
>>If there isn't anything bleeding edge then explain why it will take
>>others "a half a decade" to introduce something similar? Nokia's roll
>>out, flexible screen isn't even that far off.
>
>
> first of all, DO NOT TOP post!
>
> it makes you look like a total fool... all usenet replies appear at the
> BOTTOM of a reply, or you are dismissed.
>
> Apple has over 200 patents on the iPhone, so it will be at least 17
> years before anyone can copy it.

In article <4683C762.8030602@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com> wrote:

> What very colorful flavor KoolAid are they serving today?
>
> No sane individual willingly pays-to-beta bleeding edge appliances.

OK, we'll wait for your dinner of crow tomorrow night.