AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

In article <4684019c$0$30684$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, BruceR
<razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote:

> Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3 times
> (same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did nothing to
> correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th time after I made
> calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the same SONY Desktop PC
> each time and there is nothing wrong with the PC.

Why is it that everybody who has problems with iPods uses Windows?

At 28 Jun 2007 08:44:43 -1000 BruceR wrote:

> Get a Mac and live a better life.
>
> That's just arrogant. The PC was not at fault. It works fine with every
> other peripheral I have used. Are you saying is that Apple is incapable
> of providing a reliable interface to a PC but falsly advertises that
> they do? BTW, Apple never pointed to my PC as the problem.


No, he's simply trolling outlandishly and laughing at our reasoned
responses. If his precious Mac died he'd blame the country's non-Apple-
built power grid before he blamed Apple.

You can't argue the Dogma of Apple Infallibility with the faithful.


I've been in marketing too long to be brand loyal. If one product (be it
Coke/Pepsi, Ford/Chevy, PC/Mac, whatever) were truely THAT superior to
another in the same category, it'd dominate the market and eliminate the
other...

....or at least relegate the other to a 5% market share... ;-)


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Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:

> > Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3 times
> > (same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did nothing to
> > correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th time after I made
> > calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the same SONY Desktop PC
> > each time and there is nothing wrong with the PC.
>
> Why is it that everybody who has problems with iPods uses Windows?

yes, Windows is the weak link in the chain for most people no matter
what they do in life. The iPod is blamed in this case, but 99.9% of the
time it's actually "MS Windows" or the very poor hardware base on which
Windows tries to run is the actual problem.

PCs are a huge sea of "junk", but since the dumb people of the world
thing "computers should be complicated" and shouldn't work correctly,
PC's win!

Apple "loses" since the societal concept of a problem free PC is foreign
to their experience.

Thankfully, Apple will win in the end, once all the dumb people die.

Oxford wrote:
> Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
>
>>> Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3
>>> times (same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did
>>> nothing to correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th
>>> time after I made calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the
>>> same SONY Desktop PC each time and there is nothing wrong with the
>>> PC.
>>
>> Why is it that everybody who has problems with iPods uses Windows?
>
> yes, Windows is the weak link in the chain for most people no matter
> what they do in life. The iPod is blamed in this case, but 99.9% of
> the time it's actually "MS Windows" or the very poor hardware base on
> which Windows tries to run is the actual problem.
>
> PCs are a huge sea of "junk", but since the dumb people of the world
> thing "computers should be complicated" and shouldn't work correctly,
> PC's win!
>
> Apple "loses" since the societal concept of a problem free PC is
> foreign to their experience.
>
> Thankfully, Apple will win in the end, once all the dumb people die.

Well Oxford, that's all very trite but you still haven't answered my
questions. How is using a PC with or without Windows (which I never said
I used - ever hear of Linux? I use both) related to a problem with a
battery? And for the record, it wouldn't hold a charge after plugging
the thing in to my friend's Apple laptop either. You can hem and haw
all you want but the fact is that the battery was defective and it took
Apple 4 returns and escalation to corporate to even run a proper test
and admit that it was defective and replace the unit.
I can understand and forgive a defective item but not the horrible
service I got from Apple which I'm sure that even you will have to admit
had nothing to do with having a PC or the OS used. In fact, for the 3
weeks the thing worked, I had no trouble using iTunes. It was just a
bad battery, poor design in not being able to replace it myself and
awful service from the manufacturer.

As far as Apple "winning in the end" you may recall that prior to the
iPOD when they relied on computer sales only, they were in the crapper
on the verge of bankruptcy.

Until Microsoft bailed them out :)

I'm surprised user bill gates has not chimed in yet about it's imposable
that apple would have not fixed it before the 4th time. :)

"BruceR" <razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:4684b2d5$0$24712$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
> Oxford wrote:
>> Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3
>>>> times (same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did
>>>> nothing to correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th
>>>> time after I made calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the
>>>> same SONY Desktop PC each time and there is nothing wrong with the
>>>> PC.
>>>
>>> Why is it that everybody who has problems with iPods uses Windows?
>>
>> yes, Windows is the weak link in the chain for most people no matter
>> what they do in life. The iPod is blamed in this case, but 99.9% of
>> the time it's actually "MS Windows" or the very poor hardware base on
>> which Windows tries to run is the actual problem.
>>
>> PCs are a huge sea of "junk", but since the dumb people of the world
>> thing "computers should be complicated" and shouldn't work correctly,
>> PC's win!
>>
>> Apple "loses" since the societal concept of a problem free PC is
>> foreign to their experience.
>>
>> Thankfully, Apple will win in the end, once all the dumb people die.
>
> Well Oxford, that's all very trite but you still haven't answered my
> questions. How is using a PC with or without Windows (which I never said I
> used - ever hear of Linux? I use both) related to a problem with a
> battery? And for the record, it wouldn't hold a charge after plugging the
> thing in to my friend's Apple laptop either. You can hem and haw all you
> want but the fact is that the battery was defective and it took Apple 4
> returns and escalation to corporate to even run a proper test and admit
> that it was defective and replace the unit.
> I can understand and forgive a defective item but not the horrible service
> I got from Apple which I'm sure that even you will have to admit had
> nothing to do with having a PC or the OS used. In fact, for the 3 weeks
> the thing worked, I had no trouble using iTunes. It was just a bad
> battery, poor design in not being able to replace it myself and awful
> service from the manufacturer.
>
> As far as Apple "winning in the end" you may recall that prior to the iPOD
> when they relied on computer sales only, they were in the crapper on the
> verge of bankruptcy.
>

Don't you love the invisible hand of the free market at work?



Oxford wrote:

> Apple "loses" since the societal concept of a problem free PC is foreign
> to their experience.
>

In article <4684b2d5$0$24712$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, BruceR
<razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote:

> Well Oxford, that's all very trite but you still haven't answered my
> questions. How is using a PC with or without Windows (which I never said
> I used - ever hear of Linux? I use both) related to a problem with a
> battery? And for the record, it wouldn't hold a charge after plugging
> the thing in to my friend's Apple laptop either. You can hem and haw
> all you want but the fact is that the battery was defective and it took
> Apple 4 returns and escalation to corporate to even run a proper test
> and admit that it was defective and replace the unit.
> I can understand and forgive a defective item but not the horrible
> service I got from Apple which I'm sure that even you will have to admit
> had nothing to do with having a PC or the OS used. In fact, for the 3
> weeks the thing worked, I had no trouble using iTunes. It was just a
> bad battery, poor design in not being able to replace it myself and
> awful service from the manufacturer.

My experience with Apple Support is completely different. A few years
ago, I was given an Apple Airport Base Station. Plugged it in, and it
didn't work. I did all the resetting and things I could think of.

So I called Apple, explained that this was way out of warranty and that
I was not the original purchaser. The next day, I had a refurb'd unit
in exchange.

Randall Ainsworth wrote:
> In article <4684b2d5$0$24712$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, BruceR
> <razrbruce@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Well Oxford, that's all very trite but you still haven't answered my
>> questions. How is using a PC with or without Windows (which I never
>> said I used - ever hear of Linux? I use both) related to a problem
>> with a battery? And for the record, it wouldn't hold a charge after
>> plugging the thing in to my friend's Apple laptop either. You can
>> hem and haw all you want but the fact is that the battery was
>> defective and it took Apple 4 returns and escalation to corporate to
>> even run a proper test and admit that it was defective and replace
>> the unit.
>> I can understand and forgive a defective item but not the horrible
>> service I got from Apple which I'm sure that even you will have to
>> admit had nothing to do with having a PC or the OS used. In fact,
>> for the 3 weeks the thing worked, I had no trouble using iTunes. It
>> was just a bad battery, poor design in not being able to replace it
>> myself and awful service from the manufacturer.
>
> My experience with Apple Support is completely different. A few years
> ago, I was given an Apple Airport Base Station. Plugged it in, and it
> didn't work. I did all the resetting and things I could think of.
>
> So I called Apple, explained that this was way out of warranty and
> that I was not the original purchaser. The next day, I had a refurb'd
> unit in exchange.

Lucky you. Maybe the iPOD service group is different.

Hey, Oxford, you're still holding your breath, right?

Nope. Just checking.

Still no interest in a bleeding edge fashion appliance.




News wrote:
> Just a "few" bugs, eh?
>
> So why don't you hold your breath and I'll tell you "soon enough" when
> I've decided to beta the product.
>
> You can start.... now.
>
> I'll be back to you when I've decided to beta.
>
> So hold your breath until then....
>
>
>
>
> Oxford wrote:
>
>> In article <4683D164.8030100@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> No, "You'll" see.
>>>
>>> No sane person will be paying-to-beta in the real world.
>>
>>
>>
>> No, you don't understand. Apple doesn't do "beta" tests, they actually
>> ship the full "complete" product unless they "specifically" say "beta".
>> The beta program was over this spring for the iPhone. So "you'll" get
>> the full product, with zero to very, very few bugs.
>>
>> Apple isn't like other companies in this regard, they have higher
>> standards. MUCH higher standards, that's why they have such a solid
>> following.
>>
>> "You'll get one soon enough" so don't be too jealous right now...

Since I asked him to give straight answers to my questions he's
disappeared. Probably waiting in line since midnight at his local
Apple/ATT store.

News wrote:
> Hey, Oxford, you're still holding your breath, right?
>
> Nope. Just checking.
>
> Still no interest in a bleeding edge fashion appliance.
>
>
>
>
> News wrote:
>> Just a "few" bugs, eh?
>>
>> So why don't you hold your breath and I'll tell you "soon enough"
>> when I've decided to beta the product.
>>
>> You can start.... now.
>>
>> I'll be back to you when I've decided to beta.
>>
>> So hold your breath until then....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oxford wrote:
>>
>>> In article <4683D164.8030100@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> No, "You'll" see.
>>>>
>>>> No sane person will be paying-to-beta in the real world.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, you don't understand. Apple doesn't do "beta" tests, they
>>> actually ship the full "complete" product unless they
>>> "specifically" say "beta". The beta program was over this spring
>>> for the iPhone. So "you'll" get the full product, with zero to
>>> very, very few bugs. Apple isn't like other companies in this
>>> regard, they have higher
>>> standards. MUCH higher standards, that's why they have such a solid
>>> following.
>>>
>>> "You'll get one soon enough" so don't be too jealous right now...