"DTC" wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>> "DTC" wrote:
>>> And to add to the story, check out the Ocean that I posted a few days
>>> ago. It appears to really knock the iPhone to the back of the bus.
>>
>> Not a chance.
>
>
> How so? Is there something in the side by side comparison I missed?
That is a biased comparison by Helio themselves, nothing more.
My point was that the iPhone will outsell it by a huge margin. The fact that
helio.com chose to even do such a comparison to the iPhone--a comparison I
find suspect anyway--is evidence to that. If Apple did that people would be
saying, "Helio Ocean who?"
But about those points...
Treo 750 does EV-DO yet several tests have shown that even when the iPhone
is running on EDGE it was able to render pages faster. The Register article
that is the basis for this thread came to the same conclusion. So just
listing 3G doesn't impress me. Lack of WiFi, OTOH, is a *big* drawback of
the Ocean (if the iPhone had no WiFi I would even be discussing it, let
alone have one).
About the only thing I would want in that comparison chart is A2DP. But I
certainly wouldn't won't to switch to an Ocean to get it.
And how about the screen? Without question my iPhone has the best screen of
any mobile device I've ever owned, or used. The Ocean has QVGA which is only
half the resolution, and who knows how good it is when in use.
No mention of how well the Ocean works with iTunes either, something I have
been enjoying a lot more than I had anticipated with my iPhone.
Size and weight comparison? Didn't see it.
Memory? My iPhone has 8 gigs. You can get what, 2 gigs now in MicroSD? My
iPhone currently has 3 gigs of just video (and the quality is great--it's
actually usable as a video player).
Finally, the Web browsing experience on my iPhone is, once again, far better
than any mobile device I've ever owned, or used. Call me skeptical but I
would have to see the Ocean in action to think it even comes close (though,
again, with half the resolution how could it?).
What about syncing? I read the Ocean doesn't even sync to Outlook. Is that
correct? Why not in the comparison chart?
I could go on, but to state that this device is going to "knock the iPhone
to the back of the bus" due to an incomplete, and biased, comparison chart
doesn't quite seem appropriate.
Tinman wrote:
> "DTC" wrote:
>> Tinman wrote:
>>> "DTC" wrote:
>>>> And to add to the story, check out the Ocean that I posted a few days
>>>> ago. It appears to really knock the iPhone to the back of the bus.
>>> Not a chance.
>>
>> How so? Is there something in the side by side comparison I missed?
>
> That is a biased comparison by Helio themselves, nothing more.
I don't see how it can be biased, unless there are serious shortcomings on
the Ocean that they don't mention. Its a simple factual comparison.
> My point was that the iPhone will outsell it by a huge margin. The fact that
> helio.com chose to even do such a comparison to the iPhone--a comparison I
> find suspect anyway--is evidence to that.
No doubt Apple will sell more - a major carrier is selling it and brand
recognition. Helio choose to make a comparison because the iPhone and Ocean
are similar, at least when compared to other products.
> But about those points...
>
> Treo 750 does EV-DO yet several tests have shown that even when the iPhone
> is running on EDGE it was able to render pages faster. The Register article
> that is the basis for this thread came to the same conclusion. So just
> listing 3G doesn't impress me.
Was teh Treo running EVDO Rev A? If not, then the download speeds would be
comparable and the page renerding engine would be important. If the Treo
was indeed running rev-A...even at a slow speed of 512 Kbps is still five
times faster than the fastest EDGE speed.
> Lack of WiFi, OTOH, is a *big* drawback of
> the Ocean (if the iPhone had no WiFi I would even be discussing it, let
> alone have one).
Good point. It might be more important for people in a dense WiFi landscape
and don't have their laptop handy.
On 7/29/07 5:07 PM, in article
Uc8ri.53658$5j1.32611@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net, "DTC"
<no_spam@move_along_folks.foob> wrote:
> George Kerby wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 7/29/07 1:41 PM, in article
>> 8d5ri.2448$AC7.2308@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net, "DTC"
>> <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob> wrote:
>>
>>> Tinman wrote:
>>>> "DTC" wrote:
>>>>> And to add to the story, check out the Ocean that I posted a few days ago.
>>>>> It appears to really knock the iPhone to the back of the bus.
>>>> Not a chance.
>>>
>>> How so? Is there something in the side by side comparison I missed?
>> Yeah. The fact that you are a racist using a piece o'shit for a phone. All
>> that sliding keyboard will jam up with the sugar goo from your
>> doughnut-infested fingers.
>
>
> Not sure what you are talking about.
>
> 1) Hrmm.....no clue where you got that idea.
"Back of the bus" statement?
> 2) Have neither the iPhone nor Ocean
You sure pimp the Ocean.
> 3) I don't eat donuts.
Cheetos, then...
>
> Now...lets discuss your issues, pumpkin.
Sure thing, "sweetie":
This is shit >>>>>> Ocean
This is Shinola >>>>>> iPhone
You simply don't understand Apples and Lemons
Now back in your corner. I'm fishing for more than a mullet...
George Kerby wrote:
> "Back of the bus" statement?
I suddenly realized that you took it in a Rosa Parks context, that was
hardly the context I envisioned. Just as so if I talked about the lack of
iPhone's stereo Bluetooth as a "chink in the armor", would you consider
that Chino-racist?
>> 2) Have neither the iPhone nor Ocean
> You sure pimp the Ocean.
One comment does not a pimp make.
Navasizing over a Moto V557 does.
>> 3) I don't eat donuts.
> Cheetos, then...
Nope.
Edge vs. EVDO, well I can tell you this, I had a 8525 and now have a Sprint
Mogul with EVDO, its like a Kia Septra (8525) racing a Porsche Turbo
Carrera, there's no comparison. I wouldn't never have even considered
Sprint except, AT&T is slow to impliment plain ole UMTS down by me, never
mind HSDPA and for $30bux a month including data, unlimited texts,
nationwide roaming, nights and weekends (starting at 7pm) and 500 mins on a
SERO plan. Its cheaper then my PDA connect. Besides the Mogul is a little
nicer then the 8525.
"DTC" wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>> "DTC" wrote:
>>> Tinman wrote:
>>>> "DTC" wrote:
>>>>> And to add to the story, check out the Ocean that I posted a few days
>>>>> ago. It appears to really knock the iPhone to the back of the bus.
>>>> Not a chance.
>>>
>>> How so? Is there something in the side by side comparison I missed?
>>
>> That is a biased comparison by Helio themselves, nothing more.
>
> I don't see how it can be biased, unless there are serious shortcomings on
> the Ocean that they don't mention. Its a simple factual comparison.
Yes, there are shortcomings missing; obviously. I already mentioned screen
resolution, for example, which is a biggie and not mentioned anywhere in the
chart. Same with memory, syncing ability, etc. No surprise though, it's not
a 3rd-party independent chart.
>>
>> Treo 750 does EV-DO yet several tests have shown that even when the
>> iPhone is running on EDGE it was able to render pages faster. The
>> Register article that is the basis for this thread came to the same
>> conclusion. So just listing 3G doesn't impress me.
>
> Was teh Treo running EVDO Rev A? If not, then the download speeds would be
> comparable and the page renerding engine would be important. If the Treo
> was indeed running rev-A...even at a slow speed of 512 Kbps is still five
> times faster than the fastest EDGE speed.
I think the tests showed that just having a faster connection is no
guarantee of how the browser is going to work once you actually use it. In
the Treo case it was obviously struggling on the rendering part. And EV-DO
is 3G and has always been considered faster than EDGE. Let's not move goal
posts now...
>
> > Lack of WiFi, OTOH, is a *big* drawback of
>> the Ocean (if the iPhone had no WiFi I would even be discussing it, let
>> alone have one).
>
> Good point. It might be more important for people in a dense WiFi
> landscape and don't have their laptop handy.
I wouldn't consider myself in a dense WiFi locale. It doesn't matter too
much though since most of the time I am either at home or at work, and both
locations have WiFi. (Yes, I do use the iPhone's Web browser at home and
work when I am not right in front of a PC; it's quite fast and very
useable--unlike the "mobile" feel of browsing with other PDAs/smartphones
that I have owned or used in the past.)
That said I do find WiFi in more places than I would have expected. Like my
local video store, deli, mall, etc. I wouldn't have even known these places
have WiFi because the odds of me walking in/around with my laptop are low.
With the iPhone it's very easy to just take it out and see if WiFi is
available.
George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> hath wroth:
>Yeah. The fact that you are a racist using a piece o'shit for a phone. All
>that sliding keyboard will jam up with the sugar goo from your
>doughnut-infested fingers.
I'm a racist and have the speeding tickets to prove it.
Well, if you don't like an iPhone, you can always glue an iPod to an
ordinary cell phone with a BluEye:
<http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201002097>
<http://www.gear4blueye.com>
Incidentally, you're right about messing up the screen. Once a month,
I turn into a werewolf. My claws tend to scratch the screen.
News wrote:
> No Bluetooth A2DP = no stereo = mono (single or dual).
>
> One could do as 'pod people do and wear wires, but why?
No Bluetooth A2DP = no stereo = mono (single or dual).
--
"Liberals used to be the ones who argued that sending U.S. troops abroad
was a small price to pay to stop genocide; now they argue that genocide
is a small price to pay to bring U.S. troops home."
-- Jonah Goldberg
clifto wrote:
> News wrote:
>
>>No Bluetooth A2DP = no stereo = mono (single or dual).
>>
>>One could do as 'pod people do and wear wires, but why?
>
>
> No Bluetooth A2DP = no stereo = mono (single or dual).
>
"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:edjqa3lvd4pcb0et8id10ma0gmiamd7v8g@4ax.com...
> George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> hath wroth:
>
> I'm a racist and have the speeding tickets to prove it.
* I'm a Teen Racer myself. Nah probably a little too old for that. I do
usually ride in the back of the bus whenever I have the rare occassion of
riding a bus.
>
> Well, if you don't like an iPhone, you can always glue an iPod to an
> ordinary cell phone with a BluEye:
> <http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201002097>
> <http://www.gear4blueye.com>
>
> Incidentally, you're right about messing up the screen. Once a month,
> I turn into a werewolf. My claws tend to scratch the screen.
>
>
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> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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* Are you in your normal personality right now, or like the other one? Or
would you know? I usually don't know...
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