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Old November 15th, 2007
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a bit of breaking news: T-Mobile, Orange and O2 have WON the iPhone in
Europe. You'll hear plenty about this tomorrow since it means the iPhone
rollout in Europe is getting closer... Congrats to these 3 companies!

---

Apple secures Europe iPhone revenue deals

By Astrid Maier in Hamburg and Volker Müller in Munich

Published: August 21 2007 19:53

Apple has succeeded in committing European mobile phone operators that
want exclusively to sell its new iPhone to share parts of their revenues
with the technology group.

The contract, which was signed by three European mobile operators in
recent days, requires that the operators hand over to Apple 10 per cent
of the revenues made from calls and data transfers by customers over
iPhones.

The contract was signed by T-Mobile of Germany, Orange of France and O2
in the UK, people familiar with the situation told FT Deutschland, the
Financial Times¹s sister paper.

The operators are set officially to announce the partnerships at the IFA
trade fair in Berlin at the end of August.

T-Mobile, Orange and O2 declined to comment on Tuesday.

The deal gives manufacturers of handsets for the first time a direct
share of the revenues a mobile phone operator makes from calls and data
transfers, marking a shift in the relationship between the parties.

Until now, mobile operators have campaigned fiercely against such an
approach, but industry experts expect that Apple¹s success in securing
the deals could spur other handset manufacturers to try to secure
similar terms.

In the US, AT&T has negotiated a two-year contract with Apple, which is
understood to be unusually heavily weighted in favour of Apple.

The deal could be particularly significant for Deutsche Telekom, which
is trying to shed its image as a slow-moving business that provides poor
customer service.

Mobile operators are said to be hoping for a significant boost in their
image from the exclusive deal with Apple, as well as a pool of
attractive customers with high rates of spending on calls and data
transfers.

Hamid Akhavan, chairman of Deutsche Telekom¹s mobile business, is said
to have campaigned for personal talks with Steve Jobs, Apple¹s chief
executive, about the contract, while Peter Erskine, chief exeutive of
O2, is said to have tried the same.

³These are not negotiations among equals. Apple clearly had the upper
hand,² one industry expert told FT Deutschland.

Apple has also lured the mobile operators with the prospect of a
financially risk-free business, as it will not allow the now common
subsidies on the sale of handsets. Most mobile phones are sold by
operators to subscribers at a highly subsidised rate.

Apple has previously said that it wants to limit iPhone¹s European
launch this autumn to the UK, France and Germany. It will continue the
roll-out elsewhere in Europe next year, when it will also launch in Asia.

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In article
<colalovesmacs-6EFEA6.18410021082007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:

> a bit of breaking news: T-Mobile, Orange and O2 have WON the iPhone in
> Europe. You'll hear plenty about this tomorrow since it means the iPhone
> rollout in Europe is getting closer... Congrats to these 3 companies!


I guess none of them share Edwin's belief that lack of further news of
iPhone activations means that no one is buying them...

>
> ---
>
> Apple secures Europe iPhone revenue deals
>
> By Astrid Maier in Hamburg and Volker Müller in Munich
>
> Published: August 21 2007 19:53
>
> Apple has succeeded in committing European mobile phone operators that
> want exclusively to sell its new iPhone to share parts of their revenues
> with the technology group.
>
> The contract, which was signed by three European mobile operators in
> recent days, requires that the operators hand over to Apple 10 per cent
> of the revenues made from calls and data transfers by customers over
> iPhones.
>
> The contract was signed by T-Mobile of Germany, Orange of France and O2
> in the UK, people familiar with the situation told FT Deutschland, the
> Financial Times¹s sister paper.
>
> The operators are set officially to announce the partnerships at the IFA
> trade fair in Berlin at the end of August.
>
> T-Mobile, Orange and O2 declined to comment on Tuesday.
>
> The deal gives manufacturers of handsets for the first time a direct
> share of the revenues a mobile phone operator makes from calls and data
> transfers, marking a shift in the relationship between the parties.
>
> Until now, mobile operators have campaigned fiercely against such an
> approach, but industry experts expect that Apple¹s success in securing
> the deals could spur other handset manufacturers to try to secure
> similar terms.
>
> In the US, AT&T has negotiated a two-year contract with Apple, which is
> understood to be unusually heavily weighted in favour of Apple.
>
> The deal could be particularly significant for Deutsche Telekom, which
> is trying to shed its image as a slow-moving business that provides poor
> customer service.
>
> Mobile operators are said to be hoping for a significant boost in their
> image from the exclusive deal with Apple, as well as a pool of
> attractive customers with high rates of spending on calls and data
> transfers.
>
> Hamid Akhavan, chairman of Deutsche Telekom¹s mobile business, is said
> to have campaigned for personal talks with Steve Jobs, Apple¹s chief
> executive, about the contract, while Peter Erskine, chief exeutive of
> O2, is said to have tried the same.
>
> ³These are not negotiations among equals. Apple clearly had the upper
> hand,² one industry expert told FT Deutschland.
>
> Apple has also lured the mobile operators with the prospect of a
> financially risk-free business, as it will not allow the now common
> subsidies on the sale of handsets. Most mobile phones are sold by
> operators to subscribers at a highly subsidised rate.
>
> Apple has previously said that it wants to limit iPhone¹s European
> launch this autumn to the UK, France and Germany. It will continue the
> roll-out elsewhere in Europe next year, when it will also launch in Asia.
>
> -
>
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/17aa89d0-5...0779fd2ac.html


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to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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Alan Baker wrote:
> In article
> <colalovesmacs-6EFEA6.18410021082007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>>a bit of breaking news: T-Mobile, Orange and O2 have WON the iPhone in
>>Europe. You'll hear plenty about this tomorrow since it means the iPhone
>>rollout in Europe is getting closer... Congrats to these 3 companies!

>
>
> I guess none of them share Edwin's belief that lack of further news of
> iPhone activations means that no one is buying them...



No, only that AAPL can't afford to engage fan-boys to pimp their brick.
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In article <46CBA28E.3050905@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com> wrote:

> >>a bit of breaking news: T-Mobile, Orange and O2 have WON the iPhone in
> >>Europe. You'll hear plenty about this tomorrow since it means the iPhone
> >>rollout in Europe is getting closer... Congrats to these 3 companies!

> >
> >
> > I guess none of them share Edwin's belief that lack of further news of
> > iPhone activations means that no one is buying them...

>
> No, only that AAPL can't afford to engage fan-boys to pimp their brick.


The iPhones sells itself, there is no need to have fan-boi's for such a
fine device. It's quickly becoming the best selling cell phone of all
time and it's only been 50 days!

Kinda sounds like you haven't used one yet, but when you do, you'll see
all cell phones will work like this in the future. Apple is geared to
own 35% of the cell market in 10 years, but not much you can do about it
at this point in the game.
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Gene Jones wrote:
> In article <46CBA28E.3050905@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>a bit of breaking news: T-Mobile, Orange and O2 have WON the iPhone in
>>>>Europe. You'll hear plenty about this tomorrow since it means the iPhone
>>>>rollout in Europe is getting closer... Congrats to these 3 companies!
>>>
>>>
>>>I guess none of them share Edwin's belief that lack of further news of
>>>iPhone activations means that no one is buying them...

>>
>>No, only that AAPL can't afford to engage fan-boys to pimp their brick.

>
>
> The iPhones sells itself, there is no need to have fan-boi's for such a
> fine device. It's quickly becoming the best selling cell phone of all
> time and it's only been 50 days!
>
> Kinda sounds like you haven't used one yet...



Kinda sounds like there's at least one fan-boy left on the payroll...
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At 23 Aug 2007 09:43:08 -0600 Gene Jones wrote:

> The iPhones sells itself, there is no need to have fan-boi's for
> such a fine device. It's quickly becoming the best selling cell
> phone of all time and it's only been 50 days!



Yep, another 59-1/2 million units and it'll outsell the Motorola RAZR.


> Kinda sounds like you haven't used one yet, but when you do, you'll
> see all cell phones will work like this in the future.


Not until it has a numeric keypad. Those aren't going away for a
looooooong time.

New name, same delusions, huh, Oxy?


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or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003


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Gene Jones wrote:
> In article <46CBA28E.3050905@Groups.com>, News <News@Groups.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> a bit of breaking news: T-Mobile, Orange and O2 have WON the
>>>> iPhone in Europe. You'll hear plenty about this tomorrow since it
>>>> means the iPhone rollout in Europe is getting closer... Congrats
>>>> to these 3 companies!
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess none of them share Edwin's belief that lack of further news
>>> of iPhone activations means that no one is buying them...

>>
>> No, only that AAPL can't afford to engage fan-boys to pimp their
>> brick.

>
> The iPhones sells itself, there is no need to have fan-boi's for such
> a fine device. It's quickly becoming the best selling cell phone of
> all time and it's only been 50 days!
>
> Kinda sounds like you haven't used one yet, but when you do, you'll
> see all cell phones will work like this in the future. Apple is
> geared to own 35% of the cell market in 10 years, but not much you
> can do about it at this point in the game.


Well Gene, I've used one. My friend got one and I played with it over
lunch one day. Sorry, but I wasn't impressed with it as a phone. For
one, it's too damn big for my pocket. 2nd, I prefer a real keypad for
dialing so I can dial by feel. 3d, battery life wouldn't get me through
a full day and there is no way to just pop in another battery. Now I
will give it credit for what it REALLY is, a damn nice PDA that happens
to make phone calls. If what you you need is a slick PDA and
entertainment device, then yes, it's terrific. However, as a businessman
making his living on the phone I'll stick with my Moto V6Maxx (at least
until the v8/9 is available!).


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