Unlimited voice AND data for only $99 come to a GSM network starting2/21/08

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On 2008-02-20, Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> They don't exist here.

Nor here; they don't get any closer to California than, roughly, the Grand
Canyon.

Plus, he's crowing about unlimited data... well, the voice minutes are
not unlimited, it's an apples/oranges comparison.


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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:33:13 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <47bc71b5$0$36410$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>Todd H. wrote:
>
>> As for a cite, anyone who visited news.cnet.com today would've tripped
>> over the headline:
>>
>> http://www.news.com/Sprint-expected-...l?tag=nefd.top
>
>Actually I saw the "$60-80" from
>"http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/02/20/ap4676170.html"


These stories are nothing more than analyst *speculation* -- nobody
knows what Sprint will do, maybe not yet even Sprint -- only time will
tell.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:25:50 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <47bc9a2b$0$36401$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>BTW, watch out for the latest crap from "he who must not be named,"
>which is changing the newsgroups to where follow-up posts are directed
>to include alt.cellular.cingular, a newsgroup for which there is no
>corresponding carrier, while removing newsgroups that are actually
>relevant. Pathetic and sad.

Just taking a page out of your book, Steven.
You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

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I left Verizon three years ago for T-Mobile & I've saved hundreds. T-Mobile
gives me great service. More bang for the buck.

"Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:38 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.
>
> But T-Mobile's service sucks big time!

At 19 Feb 2008 18:33:55 -0800 Pegleg wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:37:38 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >The GSM deal is better than Verizon's.
>
> But T-Mobile's service sucks big time!


The 26 million of us using it (at about 60% of Verizon's pricing!) seem
satisfied! ;-)

At 20 Feb 2008 06:56:03 -0800 SMS wrote:

> T-Mobile offers unlimited "voice and messaging" not data. Since they
> don't have a data network in the U.S., they don't have to worry about
> their network being overwhelmed.


They have a 2G data network.


> Sprint is now the only carrier without an unlimited plan. If they reall
>y want to trump the competition then they could offer a true unlimited
> voice _and_ data plan. Unlikely since the reason AT&T and Verizon
> have capped their data plans is because the 3G networks don't have
> sufficient capacity for such plans. At $60/month for true unlimited data,
> a lot of DSL users might be tempted to use 3G as their primary Internet
connection.
Sprint beat everyone to it. They offered unlimited voice and data in a few
"beta" markets late last year for $99, IIRC. It included "Power Vision"
data only (on-phone data- no tethering.) I suspect they'll just expand
that plan everywhere to compete.

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On 2008-02-21, Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

>> T-Mobile offers unlimited "voice and messaging" not data. Since they
>> don't have a data network in the U.S., they don't have to worry about
>> their network being overwhelmed.
>
>
> They have a 2G data network.

Exactly. In other words, they don't have a data network. ;)

(I don't consider GPRS to be up to par when ATTWS is already EDGE-ified
over most of its network and is moving to HDSPA, and when Verizon and
Sprint offer DSL speeds.)

Sprint seems to be the best bet for data.

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Todd Allcock wrote:


> Sprint beat everyone to it. They offered unlimited voice and data in a few
> "beta" markets late last year for $99, IIRC. It included "Power Vision"
> data only (on-phone data- no tethering.) I suspect they'll just expand
> that plan everywhere to compete.

Sprint could try a desperation move and offer 3G pseudo-unlimited data
and unlimited voice (including unlimited voice roaming to make up for
their limited network). For $80 I'd sign up in a minute if Sprint were
to add coverage to my area.

At 21 Feb 2008 01:06:36 +0000 Steve Sobol wrote:

> > They have a 2G data network.
>
> Exactly. In other words, they don't have a data network. ;)
>
> (I don't consider GPRS to be up to par when ATTWS is already EDGE-ified
> over most of its network and is moving to HDSPA, and when Verizon and
> Sprint offer DSL speeds.)

T-Mo is pretty much "EDGE-ified" across their (native) network as well, but
occasionally it falls down when roaming or in very small markets. (I was
up in the Colorado mountains off route 40 last weekend roaming on "Union
Telephone" which didn't seem to offer either GPRS or EDGE. If the hotel
didn't have free WiFi, I'd probably have had to try CSD as a last resort!)
Supposedly T-Mo's 3G will be up this summer if the Feds ever vacate the
1700 MHz band.

As to the usefulness of EDGE, it depends what you're after, I guess. Is it
sufficient for PC-card use? No, except as a last resort, but for mobile e-
mail and on-phone browser lookups/Google Maps/Windows Live Navigation-type
stuff it's fine, and the price ($6/month) is certainly right.

> Sprint seems to be the best bet for data.

For SERO (free), on-phone ($15) and PC card use ($49 SERO), I'll agree.
For doing a WAP-page 411 lookup on m.411.com? Hell, CSD used to pull that
kind of stuff off fine at 9600-14.4k! (And still can!...)

I've been playing with "1G" again mostly for laughs and nostalgia. PagePlus,
the Verizon MVNO, has free unlimited 14.4kbps Verizon QNC data right now,
probably via a billing system oversight. It's hard to recall these days,
but there was a time when 14.4 was top-of-the-line! I've got an old
Verizon WinMo smartphone I picked up cheap on eBay hooked to PagePlus.
It's my backup phone for when I (very rarely) find myself outside T-Mo's
coverage area. Even with it's lousy 14.4k connection, it automatically
keeps contacts and calendar info synched over-the-air with my "real" T-Mo
Windows Mobile phone via Exchange, and it pulls my IMAP e-mail down hourly.
(The Exchange sync alone is worth it's weight in gold- prior to Page Plus,
I used to use Beyond Wireless TDMA on Cingular as my rural backup, but
still had to lug the T-Mo PDA phone around for access to my
contacts/calendar info that wouldn't sync to an ancient Nokia 5160!)

At 20 Feb 2008 23:27:32 +0000 John Navas wrote:

> >BTW, watch out for the latest crap from "he who must not be named,"
> >which is changing the newsgroups to where follow-up posts are directed
> >to include alt.cellular.cingular, a newsgroup for which there is no
> >corresponding carrier, while removing newsgroups that are actually
> >relevant. Pathetic and sad.
>
> Just taking a page out of your book, Steven.
> You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

Um, no. Steven ADDED the .attws group to a bunch of threads, but he never
dropped groups already there and forced redirection SOLELY to a group not
in the original conversation like you're attempting now.

IIRC, you condemned Steven for that because it caused disruption of the
group due to fragmented threads, and yet you're doing it yourself... Hmmm...


Hypocrisy, thy name is Nav...

Ah, forget it- too easy!