"Dennis Ferguson" <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On 2008-05-16, Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>> or their software to be installed on a portable device. They aren't E911-
>> compliant (and I STILL haven't figured out how they offer US phone
>> numbers
>> without being forced to be E911 compliant.)
>
> I haven't figured that out either, but I it is somehow related to
> them not allowing the US phone numbers to be used for caller ID
> on outbound calls even though they're fine with you instead using
> any overseas SkypeIn number you have for caller ID on calls to US
> phones.
I wondered if it has to do with where they're located (Luxemborg, or the
Duchy of Grand Fenwick or whatever.) I need to ask Bruce Nicklin, the
Voicestick Veep about that on the dslreports forums- he'd rather (like many
VoIP providers) to offer 911 as an optional service, since he claims it
costs them about a buck a month per line. His lawyers can probably explain
why Skype is exempt, but Vonage, Voicestick, et al, aren't.
"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:RSmXj.217$xb2.168@fe103.usenetserver.com:
> I wondered if it has to do with where they're located (Luxemborg, or
> the Duchy of Grand Fenwick or whatever.) I need to ask Bruce Nicklin,
> the Voicestick Veep about that on the dslreports forums- he'd rather
> (like many VoIP providers) to offer 911 as an optional service, since
> he claims it costs them about a buck a month per line. His lawyers
> can probably explain why Skype is exempt, but Vonage, Voicestick, et
> al, aren't.
>
>
>
>
>
Skype is in Luxembourg....for tax purposes. They are English, mostly, but
BT and taxes ran them out of that country.
It's why every time you dial out you must dial country code, area, number
completely.
(By the way, forgetting +1 for USA and dialing our 843 area code first gets
you +84 35551212 (or whatever number you dialed without +1). +84 is
Vietnam and I'd like to report Skype dials phones in Vietnam JUST FINE!)...
(c;
My apologies to all those startled Vietnamese people I've gotten out of bed
to answer their phones....
"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message news:gxgXj.1230$ZB5.763@fe087.usenetserver.com...
>
> I _AM_, however, anti-Fanboy. Replace "Skype" with "iPhone" an your posts
> read just like Oxford's or Vic's.
Question (or consensus)...
Is Vic = Oxford, toned down or maybe back on his meds?
Seems to be the same message, just a little bit more lucid.
Certainly not as blindly rabid.
Or, did Oxford actually go away - to be replaced by Vic...?
Nutboy Oxford seemed to be from Minneapolis, Comcast if I remember.
Vic seems to be on Charter down south somewhere... (Smyrna, GA?)
In <Xns9AA0B84E48FF6noonehomecom@208.49.80.253> Larry <noone@home.com> writes:
>Skype is in Luxembourg....for tax purposes. They are English, mostly, but
>BT and taxes ran them out of that country.
Can they still pull that off given ebay purchased them?
>It's why every time you dial out you must dial country code, area, number
>completely.
>(By the way, forgetting +1 for USA and dialing our 843 area code first gets
>you +84 35551212 (or whatever number you dialed without +1). +84 is
>Vietnam and I'd like to report Skype dials phones in Vietnam JUST FINE!)...
>(c;
Just wondering... does skype interconnect to
the Cuban, North Korean, and PSTNs ("regular phones")
in the other countries the US pretends don't exist?
Anyone know? Thanks
>My apologies to all those startled Vietnamese people I've gotten out of bed
>to answer their phones....
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At 16 May 2008 21:42:43 +0000 Larry wrote:
> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
> news:RSmXj.217$xb2.168@fe103.usenetserver.com:
>
> > I wondered if it has to do with where they're located (Luxemborg, or
> > the Duchy of Grand Fenwick...
> Skype is in Luxembourg....
Same difference... ;-)
> It's why every time you dial out you must dial country code, area, number
> completely.
That's actually pretty standard for all VoIPs regardless of location. The
"smarter" VoIPs allow, through software or hardware to preprogram certain
dialing patterns to skip the country or area codes. (I.e. you dial a seven-
digit number, so the software/hardware assumes it's "local" and adds the
"1" and preset local area code for you.)
> (By the way, forgetting +1 for USA and dialing our 843 area code first
gets
> you +84 35551212 (or whatever number you dialed without +1). +84 is
> Vietnam and I'd like to report Skype dials phones in Vietnam JUST FINE!)...
> (c;
>
> My apologies to all those startled Vietnamese people I've gotten out of
bed
> to answer their phones....
This is where preset dialing patterns help- if you program your VoIP
hardware to assume any 10-digit number that doesn't begin with "1" is a US
domestic number (so the software/hardware automatically adds the "1" for
you,) you end up with fewer misdials, and don't need to train anyone
borrowing your telephone how to dial! ;-)
At 16 May 2008 16:47:56 +0000 Dennis Ferguson wrote:
> > I STILL haven't figured out how they offer US phone numbers
> > without being forced to be E911 compliant.)
>
> I haven't figured that out either, but I it is somehow related to
> them not allowing the US phone numbers to be used for caller ID
> on outbound calls even though they're fine with you instead using
> any overseas SkypeIn number you have for caller ID on calls to US
> phones.
Ignore my last post! On further reflection, I think you nailed it.
Looking at various VoIP services, it seems incoming-only numbers are exempt
from 911- only services with outbound capability require 911 location.
Since Skype sells Skype-In and Skype-Out separately, I suspect the "in"
numbers are exempt by not having any outbound capability in and of
themselves. It's probably also the reason that the new unlimited USA Skype-
Out plans don't include free "in" numbers like the European plans do, but
instead just get a generous discount on a Skype-In number- if they included
the incoming number, it'd be a lot harder to convince regulators they were
separate services, under any "if it walks like a duck" scrutiny... ;-)
> > I _AM_, however, anti-Fanboy. Replace "Skype" with "iPhone" an your
posts
> > read just like Oxford's or Vic's.
>
> Question (or consensus)...
>
> Is Vic = Oxford, toned down or maybe back on his meds?
> Seems to be the same message, just a little bit more lucid.
> Certainly not as blindly rabid.
>
> Or, did Oxford actually go away - to be replaced by Vic...?
> Nutboy Oxford seemed to be from Minneapolis, Comcast if I remember.
> Vic seems to be on Charter down south somewhere... (Smyrna, GA?)
I've always worked on the assumption that Ox and Vic aren't the same guy.
Besides the geophraphical difference, while Oxford did change nyms often,
he never actually replied to himself to pretend he was someone else
supporting his crazed rantings, while Vic HAS replied to Oxford's posts
before Ox disappeared.
Vic is certainly a fanboy, but is a lot more reasonable than Oxford ever was.
He has even, on rare occasions, taken issue with some of the iPhone's flaws.
Vic seems to Believe that the iPhone is an amazing device that can still
be improved upon (which I have no quarrel with. It IS an amazing chunk of
silicon, IMO.) Oxford, on the other hand, treated it as if were created by
the hand of God (or Jobs- same thing) and any flaw was somehow actually an
advantage ("flash eats batteries") and we mere mortals were simply unable
to comprehend the "mysterious ways" in which it's creator worked!
Vic is actually fun to have around and posts the occasional nugget of
interesting info among his PR fluff pieces. Oxford was just a delusional
waste of bandwidth.
Of course, if the "Vic=a relocated Oxford on meds" theory is true, let's
hope he doesn't let his Blue Cross payments lapse! ;-)
> On the downside, their international rates are higher than their competitors,
> often higher than just using a calling card or dial-around service. Their
> system is non-standard, requiring either a PC to run, a proprietary phone,
> or their software to be installed on a portable device. They aren't E911-
> compliant (and I STILL haven't figured out how they offer US phone numbers
> without being forced to be E911 compliant.)
They have convinced the FCC that they are not a landline or cell phone
replacement, but something of an auxiliary service, because a computer
is required to use it (unlike something like Vonage which can use an
adapter to RJ11). It's not a specious argument that Skype is using.
There are very, very, few people that use Skype as their primary phone
service.
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote in
news:g0l1dc$7ag$2@reader2.panix.com:
> Can they still pull that off given ebay purchased them?
>
I've never been charged a dime in addons and taxes.
Ebay holds controlling interest in Skype, the company. Just because Bill
Gates owns most of some water company on Tuvalu, that doesn't subject the
water company to American taxes and other ripoffs. Skype is not "pulling
off" anything. They are a legal, registered business in Luxembourg and
subject to its low taxes, in one of the richest countries on the planet.
>
> Just wondering... does skype interconnect to
> the Cuban, North Korean, and PSTNs ("regular phones")
> in the other countries the US pretends don't exist?
http://skype.com/prices/callrates/
These are rates w/o VAT (US)
Cuba is $1.025 to phones.
Korea Dem People's Rep $ 0.684
Check the huge list for rates to other places, many of whom most never
heard of. Skype is not limited by any US bureaucracy because it is not a
US company.
One of the misdialings I made on Skype resulted in a call to Hanoi. They
were very nice and said lots of Americans now come to Hanoi, mostly ex-
servicemen, and are very welcome in Hanoi without their weapons and jets.
Vietnam desparately needs the money.
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:%8pXj.254$og1.226@fe117.usenetserver.com:
> This is where preset dialing patterns help- if you program your VoIP
> hardware to assume any 10-digit number that doesn't begin with "1" is
> a US domestic number (so the software/hardware automatically adds the
> "1" for you,) you end up with fewer misdials, and don't need to train
> anyone borrowing your telephone how to dial! ;-)
>
>
Skype on Windows does preset the dialing prefix for you. I rarely make
Skype calls from the computer, though.
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