NEWS: Apple Online store lists iPhone as

On 2008-05-13, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:EehWj.499$BL6.318
> @nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com:
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>> CP/M
>
> Question for the kids:
>
> What does PIP mean?

If it means "Peripheral Interchange Program" then they copied the
name directly from one of several rather unpleasant DEC operating
systems.

I was never happier than when we began installing Unix on the PDP-11's.

Dennis Ferguson

"Ron" <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 May 2008 04:07:18 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>>Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> wrote in
>>news:8pth24h8hmubp0lb57gibgh9b2lf3p74d9@4ax.co m:
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>>> Discontinued models typically sold for 15% off, with Apple reimbursing
>>> authorized dealers if memory serves correctly.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>With a new 3G broadband iPhone up against the 2G model dragging along like
>>a snail, 15% would be simply stupid. I see why they're hiding them...(c;
>
>
> I fully expect ATT to charge $40/month for the 3g data plan for a 3g
> iPhone, which would leave some attraction for the original iPhone with
> its $20 data plan.
>
> And unless you're watching a Verizon commercial, WiFi is enough most
> of the time for most folks.


Friend has a iPhone which on edge is great on battery life. Switch to wi-fi
and the battery is cut to half. He wants to get the new 3G model when they
come out.

He used about 35% of his fully charged battery in 30 mins on wi-fi. If 3G is
in the same ballpark as wi-fi in battery use, expect about 90mins before it
going dead.

When he tested the battery life, all settings were the same as the edge
testing. Without a battery door, I will never get one. We know why that
won't install a battery door. And it's not because of the size the iPhone
would be after.

Kevin Weaver wrote:
>
> Friend has a iPhone which on edge is great on battery life. Switch to
> wi-fi and the battery is cut to half. He wants to get the new 3G
> model when they come out.
>

Something is wrong with either your friend, or your friend's iPhone.

Edge drains the battery more than WiFi. Not debatable.


> He used about 35% of his fully charged battery in 30 mins on wi-fi.
> If 3G is in the same ballpark as wi-fi in battery use, expect about
> 90mins before it going dead.
>

Any conclusions based on an iPhone that uses 35% of its battery after 30
minutes on WiFi are questionable, to say the least.



--
Mike

"Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in message
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> Kevin Weaver wrote:
>>
>> Friend has a iPhone which on edge is great on battery life. Switch to
>> wi-fi and the battery is cut to half. He wants to get the new 3G
>> model when they come out.
>>
>
> Something is wrong with either your friend, or your friend's iPhone.
>
> Edge drains the battery more than WiFi. Not debatable.
>
>
>> He used about 35% of his fully charged battery in 30 mins on wi-fi.
>> If 3G is in the same ballpark as wi-fi in battery use, expect about
>> 90mins before it going dead.
>>
>
> Any conclusions based on an iPhone that uses 35% of its battery after 30
> minutes on WiFi are questionable, to say the least.
>
>
>
> --
> Mike
>

I know what I saw. Yep you got that right. POS Iphone. I warned him. :)

"Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in message
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>> Friend has a iPhone which on edge is great on battery life. Switch to
>> wi-fi and the battery is cut to half. He wants to get the new 3G
>> model when they come out.
>>
>
> Something is wrong with either your friend, or your friend's iPhone.
>
> Edge drains the battery more than WiFi. Not debatable.


Really? Is the WiFi in the iPhone geometrically better than the WiFi in
other phones? I can surf on EDGE onn my HTC Wizard practically
indefinately, while WiFi drains the battery noticeably. I'd estimate I
could use WiFi for 2-3 hours max (constant surfing- not just "on") while an
hour of internet use with EDGE hardly bumps the battery meter.



>
>> He used about 35% of his fully charged battery in 30 mins on wi-fi.
>> If 3G is in the same ballpark as wi-fi in battery use, expect about
>> 90mins before it going dead.
>>
>
> Any conclusions based on an iPhone that uses 35% of its battery after 30
> minutes on WiFi are questionable, to say the least.
>
>
>
> --
> Mike
>

Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
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> PDP-11's

I worked for Tracor Applied Sciences, Electronic Systems Division on Navy
contracts for a time before joining Charleston Naval Shipyard and civil
service. One task we performed was to install an extensive
fire/flood/intruder alarm system into Tracor Marine's SEACON Sea
Construction Barge which was a neat little ship who's central structure
was a huge garage with the deck that opened up as well as its roof so you
could lower heavy objects picked up from the deck on the stern down
through the middle (center of moment) of the ship without tilting it.

Central to its mission was a sonobouy detection system that consisted of
4 sonar ping sensors. A sonobouy was fired at the bottom over the spot
you wanted to put the barge. Then, a PDP-8 minicomputer monitored the
sonar's phase relationship of the 4 ping, actually more of a click,
detectors. The PDP-8 controlled 3 of the craziest propulsion plants I
ever saw. A diesel engine drove a hydraulic pump and the computer
controlled valves that set a vertical "egg beater" contraption spinning
around a vertical axis. The blades were controlled, hydraulically, and
could push the barge in ANY direction maintaining the barge without
anchoring lines that would get in the way of underwater construction
centered right over that little sonobouy clicking away on the bottom.

This contraption, however, could only make about 6 knots wide open, so it
was towed with an ocean tug on a LONG line to wherever the job was, like
Diego Garcia where it built a huge chain-fall anchorage in the center of
Diego Garcia's underwater volcano cone to tie ships out to. I was nearly
Shanghai'd for that trip because of my electronic knowledge and a couple
of favors I did for her captain. (The welders wanted me, too, because I
had watched them trying to hydraulic hand start a 6-cyl Navy welding
monster all day, on and off as I worked my job. In the afternoon, still
not running, I walked down the pier and asked all these "mechanics" if
they had primed this brand new diesel engine...drawing blank stares like
I was from Mars. After a short explanation to the assembled "experts", a
tool box appeared and I cracked open the EMPTY fuel filter and filled it,
opened the nuts on all the injectors after filling the injection pump and
turned her over twice to prime the lines and get the air out. One last
long hand pump on the hydraulic starting manual pressure pump, close all
the open nuts and lines, open the throttle a little and STOMP on the
start valve button....VAaaaRRROOOOMM!!!, one welding machine up and
running! One standing ovation from the poor sweating bastards that had
been pumping on it all day to no avail. They just put lube oil into it
and expected it to crank itself....hee hee.)

We took SEACON out for a little pleasure cruise around Little Creek
Amphib Base and the river cruise to play with her joy stick and computer.
What a cool way to run a boat!

Crank engine, let 'er warm up a minute.....
Move joystick to port away from pier...boat moves sideways away from
pier.
Release joystick at point where you want to stop sideways motion. Boat
stops DEAD STILL, even though all diesel engines still running fast.
Move joystick towards bow slowly and boat moves towards bow in proportion
to how far you push little joystick! This is GREAT!
Out in open harbor, recenter joystick and boat stops dead.
ROTATE joystick clockwise looking down on it.....BOAT TURNS CLOCKWISE ON
ITS AXIS as if boat is made like a washtub!
Recenter joystick, boat rotation stops dead still.

This is more fun to drive than anything I ever drove.....and SO EASY!

If you rotate the stick while pressing toward the NORTH, and move the
stick around so it continues to be pointed to the North, even though the
boat is rotating around under it.....THE DAMNED THING WILL SPIN UNDERWAY
GOING NORTH! It only goes slowly, but it works!

There's never been a bow thruster to match this crazy propulsion
system....(c;

The food and coffee aboard SEACON was the worst I ever had....it was just
AWFUL! Even the BUGJUICE was AWFUL!

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:9XjWj.3434
$nW2.2685@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com:

> Friend has a iPhone which on edge is great on battery life.

I hope you meant on EDGE, not on edge. If it was on edge, maybe it was
related to the accelerometers...(c;

"Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in news:nykWj.1$ZB5.0@fe087.usenetserver.com:

> Any conclusions based on an iPhone that uses 35% of its battery after 30
> minutes on WiFi are questionable, to say the least.
>
>

He musta had a Jailbroken iPhone with an actual PROGRAM RUNNING, which
would kill its tiny battery.

But, IT'S SO THIN, RIGHT?!

"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:zGlWj.3$2g1.1
@fe119.usenetserver.com:

> Really? Is the WiFi in the iPhone geometrically better than the WiFi in
> other phones?

Here's the little-known, ugly truth behind the new 3G iPhone:
http://www.batteryspace.com/index.as...OD&ProdID=3186

Runs nearly 10 hours, though, without recharging!

Todd Allcock wrote:
> "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in message
>>
>> Something is wrong with either your friend, or your friend's iPhone.
>>
>> Edge drains the battery more than WiFi. Not debatable.
>
>
> Really? Is the WiFi in the iPhone geometrically better than the WiFi
> in other phones?

I don't care much what other phones do "geometrically," but there is no
question the iPhone gets better battery life on WiFi Vs. Edge. This is not
to say that its Edge battery-life is poor; only that WiFi is better. All
else being equal, naturally.



--
Mike