Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

In article <8JOdnRNVgaNMqM3VnZ2dnUVZ_h3inZ2d@comcast.com>,
"PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> > In article <8npv445qhl87jklfapj0javn5k4to070g2@4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <meetme@world.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the planet.
> >> >
> >> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
> >> >
> >> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
> >> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
> >> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described in
> >> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons to
> >> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
> >> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
> >> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once you've
> >> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're settling
> >> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
> >> >
> >> >much more here....
> >> >
> >> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
> >> >
> >> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> >>
> >> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short "sound
> >> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
> >> that
> >> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly every
> >> one
> >> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the solution
> >> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
> >> comments. "
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....3da9cee4d6a3?d
> >> mod
> >> e=source
> >>
> >> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....dbea6948ceef?d
> >> mod
> >> e=source
> >>
> >> Among many others.
> >>
> >> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
> >> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple product.
> >> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
> >> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
> > interest"...
>
> We sure are. It's the concept you try to invoke every time you attempt to
> weasel out of your previous argument that conflicts with your current
> argument.

Give an example...

--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)

ZnU wrote:
> In article <calvin-77962B.08110411062008@news.goldengate.net>,
> Calvin <calvin@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <OYudnXVjR4ldKdLVnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
>> News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>
>>> David Moyer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>>>>
>>>> "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
>>>> than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
>>>> device to just $200
>>>
>>> Yebbut, what about that $800 long tail of service obligation...
>>>
>>>
>>> , while fixing all of the major issues I described in
>>>> How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008,
>>>
>>> Yebbut, what about the lack of APPS? Still NO APPS.
>>>
>>> Still a fashion accessory, no more.
>> This great new iPhone still does not do MMS. WTF?
>
> MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
> high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
> real e-mail with attachments?

So you can communicate with people in the real world who have MMS
capabilites (only).

Steve

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:13:27 -0600, David Moyer <meetme@world.com>
wrote:

>In article <FhS3k.1109$LG4.239@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> The XV6800 is what set the bar for Apple's iPhone revision in terms of
>> features, other than the iPhone's lack of a slide-out keyboard, lack of
>> a memory card slot, and lack of a user-replaceable battery, the new
>> iPhone is a worthy competitor.
>
>the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
>where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
>and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
>is not in use.
>
>you can add a memory card slot, you've been able to do that for years.
>
>and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
>
>http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html
>
>so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
>thanks!!


Is that one of those Chinese exploding batteries? And its hardly near
instantaneous to change batteries.

In article <ocmdnV3kyNFS_s3VnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@giganews.com>,
Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> ZnU wrote:
> > In article <calvin-77962B.08110411062008@news.goldengate.net>,
> > Calvin <calvin@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <OYudnXVjR4ldKdLVnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
> >> News <News@Group.name> wrote:
> >>
> >>> David Moyer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
> >>>>
> >>>> "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
> >>>> than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
> >>>> device to just $200
> >>>
> >>> Yebbut, what about that $800 long tail of service obligation...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> , while fixing all of the major issues I described in
> >>>> How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008,
> >>>
> >>> Yebbut, what about the lack of APPS? Still NO APPS.
> >>>
> >>> Still a fashion accessory, no more.
> >> This great new iPhone still does not do MMS. WTF?
> >
> > MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
> > high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
> > real e-mail with attachments?
>
> So you can communicate with people in the real world who have MMS
> capabilites (only).
>
> Steve

Gee...

If only someone could figure out how to make a device automatically
convert an email message into an MMS message and vice versa...

<http://www.modmyifone.com/wiki/index.php/MMS_Email_Addresses>

--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)

Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:

> >so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
> >thanks!!
>
> Is that one of those Chinese exploding batteries? And its hardly near
> instantaneous to change batteries.

the exploding batteries where on laptops because the chemistry was
wrong, it never affected ipods or iphones.

the battery is easily replaceable is the point, and a lot of people
don't know this. sure, chances are 99% you'd have a new iPhone before
the old one begins to lose charge, but the ignorance about iPhone and
iPod batteries is amazing...

they are ALL user replaceable!

-

David Moyer wrote:
> In article <FhS3k.1109$LG4.239@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> The XV6800 is what set the bar for Apple's iPhone revision in terms of
>> features, other than the iPhone's lack of a slide-out keyboard, lack of
>> a memory card slot, and lack of a user-replaceable battery, the new
>> iPhone is a worthy competitor.
>
> the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
> where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
> and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
> is not in use.
>
> you can add a memory card slot, you've been able to do that for years.

Huh? The iPhone has been out for only about a year, how could you have
been able to add a memory card slot "for years?" What is the accessory
that allows you to add a memory card?

> and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
>
> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html

Yes, for those comfortable doing soldering it's user-replacable, LOL.

> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
> thanks!!

Look in the mirror please. Thanks!!

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-28A250.16272211062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <8JOdnRNVgaNMqM3VnZ2dnUVZ_h3inZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "PC Guy" <pcguy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-BC6D37.11505911062008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>> > In article <8npv445qhl87jklfapj0javn5k4to070g2@4ax.com>,
>> > Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:30:30 -0600, David Moyer <meetme@world.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the
>> >> >planet.
>> >> >
>> >> >Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>> >> >
>> >> >"I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner
>> >> >rather
>> >> >than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
>> >> >device to just $200, while fixing all of the major issues I described
>> >> >in
>> >> >How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there are precious few reasons
>> >> >to
>> >> >ignore this seismic shift in mobile and cloud computing. I've said it
>> >> >before and I'll say it again: The iPhone is a dramatically important
>> >> >computing platform and one you should not ignore. Trust me, once
>> >> >you've
>> >> >used an iPhone, that Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're
>> >> >settling
>> >> >on now will seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
>> >> >
>> >> >much more here....
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>> >>
>> >> "What bothers me most about that Thurrot site is he posts short "sound
>> >> bite" comments with no critical analysis, and hides behind the fact
>> >> that
>> >> the site does not accept comments. I can see why, since nearly every
>> >> one
>> >> of his posts would be refuted by relevant facts. Still, the solution
>> >> should be for Thurrot to clean up his reporting, not disallow
>> >> comments. "
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....3da9cee4d6a3?d
>> >> mod
>> >> e=source
>> >>
>> >> "Seems that Mr. Thurrot doesn't understand a lot of stuff: "
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....dbea6948ceef?d
>> >> mod
>> >> e=source
>> >>
>> >> Among many others.
>> >>
>> >> It seems that Paul Thurott's opinion is worthless and
>> >> uninformed...unless he says something positive about an Apple product.
>> >> Then he becomes a beacon of truth and righteousness cutting through
>> >> the night. And the Maccies wonder why we are so amused by them. 8)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of "statement against
>> > interest"...
>>
>> We sure are. It's the concept you try to invoke every time you attempt to
>> weasel out of your previous argument that conflicts with your current
>> argument.
>
> Give an example...

Certainly. Take a look at this thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp....7674d92e39c2d6

You're welcome

"David Moyer" <meetme@world.com> wrote in message
news:meetme-FCF43C.19372611062008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net...
> Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>> >so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
>> >thanks!!
>>
>> Is that one of those Chinese exploding batteries? And its hardly near
>> instantaneous to change batteries.
>
> the exploding batteries where on laptops because the chemistry was
> wrong, it never affected ipods or iphones.
>
> the battery is easily replaceable is the point, and a lot of people
> don't know this. sure, chances are 99% you'd have a new iPhone before
> the old one begins to lose charge, but the ignorance about iPhone and
> iPod batteries is amazing...

So the reason we would have a new iPhone before the battery wears out is ?
Ohh I get it. The phone will crap out before the battery will.
>
> they are ALL user replaceable!

Tell that to apple. At 199 for the phone and there charging 79.00 to replace
the battery ?
Can you say bend over ? I knew you could.

>
> -

At 11 Jun 2008 16:13:27 -0600 David Moyer wrote:

> > The XV6800 is what set the bar for Apple's iPhone revision in terms of
> > features, other than the iPhone's lack of a slide-out keyboard, lack of
> > a memory card slot, and lack of a user-replaceable battery, the new
> > iPhone is a worthy competitor.
>
> the iPhone keyboard works FAR better than the old physical ones, it's
> where all cell phones will eventually end up since you can type faster
> and you can still use the whole screen for other tasks when the keyboard
> is not in use.


With a physical keyboard you can see the whole screen even when the
keyboard is in use!


> you can add a memory card slot...

To the iPhone? How?

> ...you've been able to do that for years.
The iPhone is 11 months old- you haven't been able to anything to it "for
years."

> and the battery is user replaceable, it's just $24.
>
> http://www.meritline.com/iphone-battery-tools-451.html

+$5 or so for the soldering iron. Or do you still stand by your old "there
are clips under the tape" story?

> so you might want to learn how to research before you post again.
> thanks!!

Pot, kettle, black...

At 11 Jun 2008 16:18:54 -0400 ZnU wrote:

> MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
> high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
> real e-mail with attachments?

Because MMS is the "poor man's push e-mail." Personally I hardly use it,
since I use a smartphone that handles e-mail and attachments, but it's
still the quickest and dirtiest way to quickly send a picture or video to
someone else's dumbphone. Any higher-end/more featured product should
incorporate a super-set of the features lower-end products have- not only
higher-end features incompatible with other products.

The iPhone's lack of MMS is either just laziness on the part of it's
developers, or snobbishness of Apple's brass.