iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:5iev549uu4d8kpsqlsjj7qt510o9i9j71d@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:21:27 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>Ron wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:12:13 -0600, Todd Allcock
>>> <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 22 Jun 2008 18:19:25 -0500 Ron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BOGUS STATISTICS !!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cellular-news.com/story/22188.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which Carrier Is Winning the War On Fewest Dropped Calls?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With all major wireless carriers claiming to offer the fewest
>>>>>> dropped calls, wireless management services provider mindWireless
>>>>>> used its database of call data to research the facts of the
>>>>>> claims. Using a sample of more than 80 million calls placed and
>>>>>> received between January 1, 2006 and June 30, 2006, mindWireless
>>>>>> found Sprint, followed by Cingular's legacy AT&T Wireless to have
>>>>>> the fewest number of dropped calls, nearly 50 percent behind
>>>>>> Verizon, the carrier claiming the best, most reliable network.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring
>>>>> what they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A
>>>>> duplicate call placed within 2 minutes.
>>>> True...
>>>>
>>>>> I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
>>>>> time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say
>>>>> and call them back. But those calls would have been counted as
>>>>> dropped calls.
>>>>
>>>> Yes- but in all likelihood, those "benign" callbacks would happen
>>>> equally across all carriers. Therefore, the "extra" callbacks
>>>> users of some carriers experienced either indicate another reason
>>>> for callbacks, such as dropped calls. Either that or Verizon's and
>>>> T-Mo's customers are far more forgetful than Sprint's as a whole,
>>>> and think of more things to say after hanging up...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You are just guessing here. We have no way to know.
>>>
>>Actually we do but we can't see the data that is logged for internal
>>use. The system knows the difference between a drop and an actual
>>termination.
>
>
> We all know Sprint is stuck with the inferior PCS band of 1900 MHz
> which results in greater attention and less of a reach from their
> towers and far poorer building penetration.

No- we all know the data as it has been presented. Sprint was found to
have the fewest potential dropped calls. Any deviation from the true
numbers would be equally shared by all carriers.

Now go take your medicine- your paranoia is starting to show again.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:22:45 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
wrote:

>Ron wrote:
>> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what
>> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call
>> placed within 2 minutes.
>>
>> I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
>> time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and
>> call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped
>> calls.
>
>For that to be a valid argument, one would have to assume that users
>on the other carriers don't make such second calls.


Depends on whther the carrier has mobile to mobile, and with the
largest number of subscribers, there's more mobile to mobile on AT&T.

Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:fu7264hash6au3qdbru8hoo8al27ktkq4q@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:22:45 -0500, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
> wrote:
>
>>Ron wrote:
>>> Except they werent measuring dropped calls. They were measuring what
>>> they assumed to be an approximation of dropped calls. A duplicate call
>>> placed within 2 minutes.
>>>
>>> I often place calls to relatives that also have AT&T and manys the
>>> time within 2 minutes I think of something else I forgot to say and
>>> call them back. But those calls would have been counted as dropped
>>> calls.
>>
>>For that to be a valid argument, one would have to assume that users
>>on the other carriers don't make such second calls.
>
>
> Depends on whther the carrier has mobile to mobile, and with the
> largest number of subscribers, there's more mobile to mobile on AT&T.
>

The big four all have mobile to mobile. More subscribers would mean more
calls generated, and therefore the percentage obtained by measuring in this
manner would remain consistent from carrier to carrier if mobile to mobile
calls were considered.

Got some other half-baked logic to try next?

My AppleFan friend:
My phone has a microSD card (4GB) that cost $17.00, delivered. They are
cheaper all the time. When you buy products from more than one company
(ahem, like Apple) you tend to be able to get better prices. Oh yeah, my
phone's cheap SD card can also store stuff like Tom Tom Navigator software
so I have a REAL gps unit, not some GPS-A thing tied to an internet connect
using Google maps (which does pathetic routing compared to a real GPS unit).
By the way, my Windows Mobile phone (xv6800--replaced a 6700) gets super
battery life and it can take that one out and put in a spare if I want to.
Can also charge it nearly anywhere via a USP connector. MANY advantages of
some other phones over the iPhone, so you might want to try an objective
look around, if that is possible.
"4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 22, 10:30 am, 4iFone <McPherson.truck.2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This CDMA iPhone wanabee probably eats batteries but you can buy
> extras and carry them in your pocket.
>
> http://micro-sd-memory.blogspot.com/...tinct-with-hap...
> Sunday, June 22, 2008
> Samsung Instinct with Haptic Feedback: Yes it is iPhone Killer
>
> The Samsung Instinct is the most impressive iPhone 3G alternative
> we’ve seen so far. It offers haptic feedback (small vibrations in
> response to touches), 3G, GPS, 2-megapixel camera with video
> recording, full e-mail and web browsing capabilities, and much more!
> The Instinct runs on Sprint’s EV-DO Rev A high-speed network.
>
> This remarkable smartphone features full QWERTY touchpad in landscape
> format for faster typing… but, forget about typing. With Speech to
> Action feature, all you have to do is say “search” and ask for “coffee
> shops” or “pizza” or whatever you are looking for.
>
> With the the help of built-in GPS capabilities, the Instinct will
> quickly locate results near you. It will even give you direction via
> Windows Live Maps. You can use speech commands for pretty much
> anything you do - from texting, email sending, news searching, weather
> info requests, traffic inquiries, and more. With Mobile Sync you can
> always sync your phone to the Sprint website and back up all your
> important data. When your battery runs low, simply change it. The
> Samsung Instinct comes with 2 standard batteries in the box, so you
> just switch them out while you charge the other.
>
> With Stereo Bluetooth Profiles, you can stream your audio to a stereo
> Bluetooth headset complete with Call Announce. A very important
> feature is ability to multi-task. For example, you can listen to music
> while you browse the web, and you can pause your tunes when a call
> comes through.
>
> A 2GB microSD card is included, plus the Samsung Instinct can hold up
> to 8GB of external memory. You can use your memory to shoot, store,
> and share pictures and videos with 2.0 MP camera and camcorder. All
> images and videos can be viewed in thumbail mode or can be scrolled
> though larger previews with filmstrip mode.
>
> Customizable favorites allow you to easily drag-and-drop applications
> in the order you want them. This feature comes handy when you want
> your most-used features to be placed front and center.
>
> Sprint Power Vision Services include Sprint TV Enabled, Sprint Mobile
> Email, Spring Navigation, Sprint PCS Picture Mail, Sprint Music Store,
> games, screen savers, and more. Most importantly, you can watch TV on-
> the-go, quickly download your favorite music, and check your E-mail,
> whether it’s corporate, POP3 or online service.
>
> On Friday, Samsung Electronics began selling its touch-screen Instinct
> handset for $70 cheaper than Apple’s iPhone 3G. The newest smartphone
> is offered by Sprint Nextel for $130 after rebate. Sprint has said it
> will spend more than $100 million to market the touch-screen Instinct
> in hopes the cellphone can recover from steep customer losses.
>
> What’s in the box? The Samsung Instinct includes: M800 Handset with
> battery cover, 2GB microSD card (inserted into phone), 2 standard
> batteries, battery cell charger, AC charger, chargeable USB cable,
> 3.5mm stereo headphones with microphone, microSD memory card adapter
> for use with PCs, stylus packed in mini leather case, and printed
> materials with CD.

How does that compare to the $300 16 GB iPhone? Wait, you can not buy
a 16GB micro sd card so this will never be a 16GB Instinct.

So compare that to a $200 8 GB iPhone. You pay $130 to Sprint and then
add an 8 GB sd card for $50 to $80 which takes this gem to $180 to
$210.

Then you have to worry about the sd card getting ejected and lost so
you have to buy another one again.

Samsung should have just included the memory to start with like Apple
does. Now does Sprint email work with Yahoo, HotMail or GMail like the
plain Jane iPhone does? Do you get true HTML email or plain text?

Do they give you a bag to carry all that extra hadware in that is
needed to keep the instinct running during the day?

Does it even sync with iTunes or does it sync OTA with Sprint or that
Micorsoft WinMo cludge for Sync to a PC?

What is the end user experience - all promise ending in frustration?

In article <AOydneXnKtKMNfHVnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@rcn.net>, Prilosec
<purple@nni.net> wrote:

> My AppleFan friend:
> My phone has a microSD card (4GB) that cost $17.00, delivered. They are
> cheaper all the time.

the iphone has 8 or 16 gig built-in, with no need to buy extra cards
and swap among them. granted, one can't have more memory than what is
built-in (at least until there's a 32 gig version released), but most
people don't need that much memory in a phone. for those who do, there
are obviously alternatives.

> When you buy products from more than one company
> (ahem, like Apple) you tend to be able to get better prices. Oh yeah, my
> phone's cheap SD card can also store stuff like Tom Tom Navigator software

tomtom has announced navigation software for the iphone already.

> so I have a REAL gps unit, not some GPS-A thing tied to an internet connect
> using Google maps (which does pathetic routing compared to a real GPS unit).

the 3g iphone has a real gps, not one which is tied to the internet.

> By the way, my Windows Mobile phone (xv6800--replaced a 6700) gets super
> battery life and it can take that one out and put in a spare if I want to.

the vast majority of cellphone users only have one battery and never
need a spare.

> Can also charge it nearly anywhere via a USP connector.

i don't know what a 'usp' connector is, but if you mean usb, the iphone
charges off usb.

> MANY advantages of
> some other phones over the iPhone, so you might want to try an objective
> look around, if that is possible.

in order to be objective, one must first have the facts correct.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:040720081923158325%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> the iphone has 8 or 16 gig built-in, with no need to buy extra cards
> and swap among them. granted, one can't have more memory than what is
> built-in (at least until there's a 32 gig version released), but most
> people don't need that much memory in a phone. for those who do, there
> are obviously alternatives.
>
>

I agree with you, fully. The FruitFone has no need of memory, at the
moment. You're not allowed to run anything on it that will need memory,
except now for the new mapping software which is going to need memory to
store maps, POIs, routes, etc.....unless Jobs has that net-based, too.

Because it's just a sellphone, not a real computer, much memory and the
ability to change it at will, is unnecessary.

I've configured an 8GB SDHC card I used to use for tablet storage before I
got the 16GB cards, to be the boot and storage memory for Google Android on
my N800. If I don't want to play with Android, I'll leave out the card.

.....at least I have choices....(c;

In article <Xns9AD1E7925E81Fnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:040720081923158325%
> nospam@nospam.invalid:
>
> > the iphone has 8 or 16 gig built-in, with no need to buy extra cards
> > and swap among them. granted, one can't have more memory than what is
> > built-in (at least until there's a 32 gig version released), but most
> > people don't need that much memory in a phone. for those who do, there
> > are obviously alternatives.
> >
> I agree with you, fully. The FruitFone has no need of memory, at the
> moment. You're not allowed to run anything on it that will need memory,
> except now for the new mapping software which is going to need memory to
> store maps, POIs, routes, etc.....unless Jobs has that net-based, too.

i don't know where in the world you got that idea. apple does not
prohibit using the included memory to store whatever is needed.

> Because it's just a sellphone, not a real computer, much memory and the
> ability to change it at will, is unnecessary.

it most definitely is a real computer, and one which runs unix. it
also comes with 4 (now discontinued), 8, 16 or 32 gig (in the case of
the ipod touch) of memory.

> I've configured an 8GB SDHC card I used to use for tablet storage before I
> got the 16GB cards, to be the boot and storage memory for Google Android on
> my N800. If I don't want to play with Android, I'll leave out the card.
>
> ....at least I have choices....(c;

everyone has choices.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:050720080054003094%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> it most definitely is a real computer, and one which runs unix. it
> also comes with 4 (now discontinued), 8, 16 or 32 gig (in the case of
> the ipod touch) of memory.
>

GREAT! Take your FruitFone to:

http://xournal.sourceforge.net/

Xournal is a Unix/Linux program that's really cool!

Install it on your Unix FruitFone for me. Take a picture of the display
on it and post it to alt.binaries.pictures.ocean a dead newsgroup
noone cares about. I'll be watching for the picture.

Then, go to:

http://www.abisource.com/

and install the Linux/Unix version of Abiword, a better word processor
than Micro$oft Word, which is more freeware.

Take a picture of Abiword on the FruitFone screen with any document
loaded into it and post it to alt.binaries.pictures.ocean, too.

Let us all see how much Unix software that little Sellphone can run.
There are just two of them....common ones anyone can use. You should
have no trouble installing them from the FruitFone's Application
Manager. They're just normal tarball files it will be able to download
and install.

We'll all be waiting for your postings!

I know FruitFone owners who would sell you their children in trade for
rdesktop running on the FruitFone:
http://www.rdesktop.org/
so they could use the FruitFone, the new BUSINESS TOOL, to call into
Remote Desktop on their office computers to do BUSINESS THINGS....

Install it on yours. All these programs are quite tiny, so you have
plenty of memory on a 4GB FruitFone to install and store them. That
won't be any problem at all.

OK, feed us some more horseshit for tonight. Very entertaining....

In article <Xns9AD289BB32FC2noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> GREAT! Take your FruitFone to:
>
> http://xournal.sourceforge.net/
>
> Xournal is a Unix/Linux program that's really cool!
>
> http://www.abisource.com/
>
> and install the Linux/Unix version of Abiword, a better word processor
> than Micro$oft Word, which is more freeware.

the iphone is not intended to replace a desktop or laptop computer.
while those apps might be able to be ported, there really isn't much
point.

there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms.
pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what
works for them.

> I know FruitFone owners who would sell you their children in trade for
> rdesktop running on the FruitFone:
> http://www.rdesktop.org/

vnc already has been ported.

> so they could use the FruitFone, the new BUSINESS TOOL, to call into
> Remote Desktop on their office computers to do BUSINESS THINGS....

yep, some people do just that.

In article <050720081329587530%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:


> there are also apps on the iphone that don't exist on other platforms.
> pick the device that best suits your needs and let others choose what
> works for them.

Is there currently a good way of using the iPhone as a word
processor/book reading device? That's one of the things I want a
smartphone for.

When the 3G iPhone was announced, there was an announcement from a firm
that apparently had a sort of office suite for it, but I don't know if
they have actually delivered or not.

(googling around) Possibly Glide OS 3.0?

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