The "REAL" reason to get an iPhone

Oxford <apony@pasture.com> amazed us all with the following in news:apony-
BC606D.20043411072008@news.qwest.net:

> Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:45:09 -0700, "Kevin Weaver"
>> <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >And by the look of things Apple stock did also. :)
>>
>> It IS UP BY 50% year over year.
>
> yep, Verizon is seen as a complete joke by investors, or "people in the
> know" like me.

Sorry- reading things on the bathroom wall at work doesn't make you "people
in the know".

>
> this spells it out quite clearly.
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL...n&z=l&q=l&c=vz
>
> Verizon just can't compete against smarter companies like Apple.
>

Specifically which product or market sector do they compete with each
other?

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, The Bob posted:
> Specifically which product or market sector do they compete with each
> other?

Oxford doesn't understand the difference between technology sector and
utility sector. He only understands that one utility turned down his
preferred toy, therefore (in his warped sense of reality) that utility is
doomed.

Yesterday's embarassing rollout of the iPhone 3G, in which many customers
were left without any phone service at all and the iTunes upgrade server
was unavailable until late at night, shows how very far Apple needs to go
before it can become a serious player as opposed to a fad.

It'll be interesting to watch what happens when it dawns on the fanboys
worldwide that by using mobileme they've given all their private data to
the US government. Of course, that assumes that mobileme eventually is
made to work. Apple doesn't seem to understand scalability yet.

Meanwhile, Big Red continues to be the US carrier of choice with people
who want their mobile phone service to work.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> amazed us all with the following in
news:alpine.OSX.1.10.0807120832130.10623@pangtzu.p anda.com:

> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, The Bob posted:
>> Specifically which product or market sector do they compete with each
>> other?
>
> Oxford doesn't understand the difference between technology sector and
> utility sector. He only understands that one utility turned down his
> preferred toy, therefore (in his warped sense of reality) that utility
> is doomed.
>
> Yesterday's embarassing rollout of the iPhone 3G, in which many
> customers were left without any phone service at all and the iTunes
> upgrade server was unavailable until late at night, shows how very far
> Apple needs to go before it can become a serious player as opposed to
> a fad.
>
> It'll be interesting to watch what happens when it dawns on the
> fanboys worldwide that by using mobileme they've given all their
> private data to the US government. Of course, that assumes that
> mobileme eventually is made to work. Apple doesn't seem to understand
> scalability yet.
>
> Meanwhile, Big Red continues to be the US carrier of choice with
> people who want their mobile phone service to work.
>
> -- Mark --
>
> http://panda.com/mrc
> Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
> Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
>

Well said.

It has been said here before that some (me?) hate the iPhone for no
apparent reason. That just isn't true. It is a flawed device and
contrary to what the nutjob fanBOY club says, it is FAR from perfect.

Now, don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a great little handheld.
The touch screen is a ton of fun to use, the music- and video-playback
capabilities are fantastic, and it's one of the better mobile Web-browsing
devices out there.

The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most people.

The iPhone 3G is AT&T only. This alone means that a good chunk of the country
should look elsewhere. AT&T simply isn't the best carrier in many places.
And anyone with half a brain picks the carrier first - THEN the phone.
Purchasing ANY phone without considering the carrier that you'll use first,
is certainly putting the cart before the horse, so to speak.

The iPhone 3G costs more than $199. The pricing is complicated, but
the real deal is that a new 16GB model could possibly cost you as much
as $699.

The iPhone 3G isn't worth the upgrade because you'll pay more for an iPhone
3G contract each month.

The iPhone 3G's battery life is going to SUCK. If you want to use your iPhone as
your MP3 player, PDA, e-mail device, AND phone, you'll never be able to actually
use the damn thing (certainly not all day). And, given this, that battery STILL isn't
user-replaceable. Stupid, stupid, STUPID!

The iPhone 3G's storage is limited to 16GB. For a phone with this feature set to
not have a flash memory slot is also just plain DUMB.

The iPhone 3G is NOT a feature leader. The touch screen and user interface are actually
quite nice, but when it comes to features, the iPhone isn't a leader and certainly isn't as
compelling as the fanBOY would lead you to believe. What's missing? That support for
additional flash memory; stereo Bluetooth support; picture messaging; video recording;
and the rudimentary ability to cut-and-paste text. Its 2-megapixel camera doesn't
even have a flash! And then - there is that (non field replacable) battery.

In short, there are free phones with better features than the iPhone 3G.

In article <BcSdnV65yKfAQ-XVnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Ness-Net
<richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:

> The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most people.

Duh. You are stating the obvious. There is no reason one phone model
should be the best for most people. And of course the iPhone has flaws.
Every phone has flaws. None are going to be perfect. While it may not
be the best phone for most people it is going to be the best phone for
many people. I intend to try it out myself for 30 days (there is a 30
day return policy) as soon as the lines are over with. They were still
lining up this morning when I walked by the AT&T store a few blocks
from here. So some sure think the phone is best for them.

--
Charles

Charles wrote:
> In article <BcSdnV65yKfAQ-XVnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Ness-Net
> <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
>
>> The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most people.
>
> Duh. You are stating the obvious. There is no reason one phone model
> should be the best for most people. And of course the iPhone has flaws.
> Every phone has flaws. None are going to be perfect. While it may not
> be the best phone for most people it is going to be the best phone for
> many people. I intend to try it out myself for 30 days (there is a 30
> day return policy) as soon as the lines are over with. They were still
> lining up this morning when I walked by the AT&T store a few blocks
> from here. So some sure think the phone is best for them.
>
Fanboi mentality at work. Some people don't have a life so they let some
gadget that anyone can buy define their life instead of actually
learning a skill etc.

Charles wrote:
> In article <BcSdnV65yKfAQ-XVnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Ness-Net
> <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
>
>> The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most
>> people.
>
> Duh. You are stating the obvious. There is no reason one phone model
> should be the best for most people. And of course the iPhone has
> flaws. Every phone has flaws. None are going to be perfect. While it
> may not be the best phone for most people it is going to be the best
> phone for many people. I intend to try it out myself for 30 days
> (there is a 30 day return policy) as soon as the lines are over with.
> They were still lining up this morning when I walked by the AT&T
> store a few blocks from here. So some sure think the phone is best
> for them.
>
You're confusing that some people think the iPhone is the PHONE that's best
for them as opposed to the GADGET that's best for them. There is a
difference. In truth, imho, the iPhone is not a 'phone', but a tune player
and web browser with a phone in it. Now that may be what many people want. I
can't say I'm not one of them perhaps. But it's definitely not the best
PHONE for anyone It has too many shortcomings as that, especially including
not the best service provider, which is key to being the best phone.

In article <48792329$0$11595$607ed4bc@cv.net>, Carl
<crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> It has too many shortcomings as that, especially including
> not the best service provider, which is key to being the best phone.

I agree with the gadget part of your post. It is the other features
than the phone draw me to the iPhone.

Best service provider is subjective. Location has a lot to do with it.
I do think Verizon still is the best service provider here. It was the
last time I tested phones about three years ago. But a major reason I
figure I can get by with an iPhone on AT&T is that I will still have a
Verizon phone. Right now I have two Verizon phones. One is issued to me
by my employer. It is a basic phone. I have to carry two phones anyway
and one will still be on Verizon.

--
Charles

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:33:26 -0400, "Carl"
<crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

>Charles wrote:
>> In article <BcSdnV65yKfAQ-XVnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Ness-Net
>> <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most
>>> people.
>>
>> Duh. You are stating the obvious. There is no reason one phone model
>> should be the best for most people. And of course the iPhone has
>> flaws. Every phone has flaws. None are going to be perfect. While it
>> may not be the best phone for most people it is going to be the best
>> phone for many people. I intend to try it out myself for 30 days
>> (there is a 30 day return policy) as soon as the lines are over with.
>> They were still lining up this morning when I walked by the AT&T
>> store a few blocks from here. So some sure think the phone is best
>> for them.
>>
>You're confusing that some people think the iPhone is the PHONE that's best
>for them as opposed to the GADGET that's best for them. There is a
>difference. In truth, imho, the iPhone is not a 'phone', but a tune player
>and web browser with a phone in it. Now that may be what many people want. I
>can't say I'm not one of them perhaps. But it's definitely not the best
>PHONE for anyone It has too many shortcomings as that, especially including
>not the best service provider, which is key to being the best phone.
>


ATT is the worst provider, except for all the others in the United
States.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:39:54 -0700, "Ness-Net"
<richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com>unsucessfully tries to tear down the
iPhone 3G

>It has been said here before that some (me?) hate the iPhone for no
>apparent reason. That just isn't true. It is a flawed device and
>contrary to what the nutjob fanBOY club says, it is FAR from perfect.
>
>Now, don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a great little handheld.
>The touch screen is a ton of fun to use, the music- and video-playback
>capabilities are fantastic, and it's one of the better mobile Web-browsing
>devices out there.
>
>The fact remains, the iPhone 3G simply isn't the best phone for most people.

Some maybe?
>
>The iPhone 3G is AT&T only. This alone means that a good chunk of the country
>should look elsewhere. AT&T simply isn't the best carrier in many places.
>And anyone with half a brain picks the carrier first - THEN the phone.
>Purchasing ANY phone without considering the carrier that you'll use first,
>is certainly putting the cart before the horse, so to speak.

Now that analog has been turned off, ATT coverage reaches more people
than any other carrier.

>
>The iPhone 3G costs more than $199. The pricing is complicated, but
>the real deal is that a new 16GB model could possibly cost you as much
>as $699.
>

Sorry, for MOST people the cost will be $199.

>The iPhone 3G isn't worth the upgrade because you'll pay more for an iPhone
>3G contract each month.

$10 more for the data portion cause you'll likely be using far more
than 50% more data.

>
>The iPhone 3G's battery life is going to SUCK. If you want to use your iPhone as
>your MP3 player, PDA, e-mail device, AND phone, you'll never be able to actually
>use the damn thing (certainly not all day). And, given this, that battery STILL isn't
>user-replaceable. Stupid, stupid, STUPID!

WRONG - It is user replaceable, just Apple isnt providing
instructions. The 3G battery IS NOT soldered in.

>
>The iPhone 3G's storage is limited to 16GB. For a phone with this feature set to
>not have a flash memory slot is also just plain DUMB.

The Biodegradable Sprint phones that have memory slots are typically
limted to a 8 Gig add-on card (and that card is extra cost)

>
>The iPhone 3G is NOT a feature leader. The touch screen and user interface are actually
>quite nice, but when it comes to features, the iPhone isn't a leader and certainly isn't as
>compelling as the fanBOY would lead you to believe. What's missing? That support for
>additional flash memory; stereo Bluetooth support; picture messaging; video recording;
>and the rudimentary ability to cut-and-paste text. Its 2-megapixel camera doesn't
>even have a flash! And then - there is that (non field replacable) battery.
>
>In short, there are free phones with better features than the iPhone 3G.

"Free" phones you mean with a 2 year contract also. And name one with
all the features you just listed.

And I certainly dont want any phone using the inferior 1900 MHz Band.