anonymousNetUser <mickey@disney.com> wrote in news:NnTek.25347$LR1.17978
@newsfe10.phx:
> Don't care.
>
>
Noone gives a shit what YOU want....They want answer to valid
questions....a simple YES or NO, not some fanboi deflection to avoid saying
NO.
See, that's the problem. Noone stuck with one wants to say "No, it won't
play Flash or Realvideo or Realaudio or Windows Media streams that 97.8% of
the streaming sources on the net use, especially the important commercial
new services.
So, we go into "politician mode" with stupid comments and personal inuendo
instead of "Yes" or "No", it will or it won't.
FruitFones.....NEVER a discouraging word....right?
Will the Nokia Linux Tablets play JAVA programs on web pages?
NO, DAMMIT! Can you hear me Nokia?!.....(c;
They never made the deal with Sun....(sigh)....
Too bad NOAA uses Java for Nexrad Radar....
See? That didn't hurt a bit, except the edge of my hand beating on the
keyboard tray's sharp edge....
On Jul 14, 9:50*pm, anonymousNetUser <mic...@disney.com> wrote:
>
> I'm middle-aged. I just want a phone that makes calls (mostly for
> emergency use, heaven forbid I have an accident or heart attack or
> something), and has a few toys to show off to my friends. The Maps thing
> is nice, but just about everything is too small to read. How the heck do
> you make the text size larger?
You can find in iPhone email a setting to bump the default text up all
the way to GIANT. I am sure one of them will be ok for you unless you
are blind.
I think I saw an application yesterday to have text read to you to so
that may help some people who are blind.
Larry wrote:
> anonymousNetUser <mickey@disney.com> wrote in news:NnTek.25347$LR1.17978
> @newsfe10.phx:
>
>> I'm middle-aged. I just want a phone that makes calls (mostly for
>> emergency use,
>
> Then you CERTAINLY don't want or need a FruitFone. Those are much cheaper
> on much better carriers than ATT;....
>
You obviously didn't read my whole post. It was a GIFT from my kids! And
I'm too poor to afford to get another phone on my own income.
Not everyone here buys their phones out of their own pocket. Some
inherit something older as a hand-me-down. Some have them assigned to
them through their employer. And some, like me, are lucky enough to have
one as a gift.
My kids thought that the touch screen would be easier to use than
pressing a bunch of little buttons. And so far, it does seem to be
easier on my arthritic hands. As I've said before, my main compliant is
the size of the pictures and text on the screen. Too small for old eyes.
I'm not a teenager anymore.
4phun wrote:
> On Jul 14, 9:50 pm, anonymousNetUser <mic...@disney.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm middle-aged. I just want a phone that makes calls (mostly for
>> emergency use, heaven forbid I have an accident or heart attack or
>> something), and has a few toys to show off to my friends. The Maps thing
>> is nice, but just about everything is too small to read. How the heck do
>> you make the text size larger?
>
> You can find in iPhone email a setting to bump the default text up all
> the way to GIANT. I am sure one of them will be ok for you unless you
> are blind.
>
> I think I saw an application yesterday to have text read to you to so
> that may help some people who are blind.
Changing the text size in the e-mail app doesn't help with all the other
apps, nor with the home screen--which you have to use to get to the mail
app.
Larry wrote:
> anonymousNetUser <mickey@disney.com> wrote in news:NnTek.25347$LR1.17978
> @newsfe10.phx:
>
>> Don't care.
>>
>>
>
> Noone gives a shit what YOU want....They want answer to valid
> questions....a simple YES or NO, not some fanboi deflection to avoid saying
> NO.
If I buy a product, then *I* give a <your word, not mine> about what I
want. Your questions are only relevant if the person buying the product
wants every option available. And quite frankly I don't. Let's take cars
for example: I have a comfortable three-door hatchback. Does it go 0 to
60 in 4 seconds? No. But I don't care if it did. I wouldn't drive it
that way even so. Does it have a Hemi engine. Once again, No, but I
don't care. The 5-cylinder VW engine works just fine for me.
Just because some new gadget doesn't have EVERY little feature doesn't
make it bad. Sometimes less is more.
So far, I've found my iPhone satisfactory for what *I* want. And I'm
sick and tired of people like you trying to tell me what I *should* want.
I want simplicity, I want reliability, I want value for my money. It's
why I buy Glock, why I buy VW, and why I buy Apple.
>
> See, that's the problem. Noone stuck with one wants to say "No, it won't
> play Flash or Realvideo or Realaudio or Windows Media streams that 97.8% of
> the streaming sources on the net use, especially the important commercial
> new services.
>
> So, we go into "politician mode" with stupid comments and personal inuendo
> instead of "Yes" or "No", it will or it won't.
>
> FruitFones.....NEVER a discouraging word....right?
I've got a few discouraging words. I'm a realist not a politician trying
to make everyone happy.
I can't see the screen half the time. There's apparently no way to
increase the text and icon size for older people like myself that would
appreciate that sort of thing.
The EDGE and 3G coverage in my area isn't very good.
The screen smears way too much. But I've had that problem with every
phone. Even my ancient Nokia got skin oils all over it if I used it more
than a couple times. Gently clean with a soft rag and it's fine.
>
> Will the Nokia Linux Tablets play JAVA programs on web pages?
>
> NO, DAMMIT! Can you hear me Nokia?!.....(c;
>
> They never made the deal with Sun....(sigh)....
>
> Too bad NOAA uses Java for Nexrad Radar....
>
> See? That didn't hurt a bit, except the edge of my hand beating on the
> keyboard tray's sharp edge....
>
Calm down. You're going to give yourself a heart attack.
anonymousNetUser wrote:
> Carl wrote:
>> anonymousNetUser wrote:
>>> Since this newsgroup seems to hate the iPhone, where could an old
>>> fart like me go to get get reliable info?
>>>
>> Actually, I think you're misreading the newsgroup and way misjudging
>> its value. As you can tell from this thread alone, there are strong
>> advoates of, and strong naysayers of, the iPhone here. You can not
>> get BETTER information than from a group where BOTH sides are
>> offered; where debate rages freely. Your apparent "dream" newsgroup
>> where everyone loves the iPhone would never be a source of reliable
>> information.
>
> They may be knowledgeable as you say, but do they have to be so nasty
> about it? A little decency never hurt anyone. That's what's wrong with
> this country now. No one cares about anyone but themselves apparently.
>
I am in agreement with you on that score 100%. I don't get where that nasty
edge comes from either. But don't overlook my statement, below, where I say,
"as long as you can take it". That's what I was referring to. That said,
this forum may still be the best place to get "reliable" and complete may I
say, information about the iPhone. A lot of filtering is needed, that's all.
Good luck.
>
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 14 Jul 2008 18:26:58 -0400 anon wrote:
>
>>> I'm not a personal fan of Larry's particularly, but his points
>>> about iPhone's deficits are generally accurate
>>
>> Larry is a troll and self admitted criminal. He has been proven to be
>> about 90% incorrect.
>
>
> While some of his opinions, and the conclusions he draws, are
> questionable (though often humorous), most of his FACTS are correct.
>
> But I'm not at all surprised by your statement- there seems to be
> problem with several posters here distinguishing between opinion and
> fact.
>
> Sure, Larry was wrong about the GPS chip in the iPhone Jr., (based on
> the early teardowns referenced here) but he admitted his error when
> more accurate info surfaced.
>
> Even in today's "visit to the AT&T store" post, for example, he never
> said the iPhone's WiFi _couldn't_ be shut off- just that neither he
> nor the salesperson couldn't find the menu to do it, (then he
> launched into a typical, and ridiculous, Larry conspiracy theory as
> to why AT&T wouldn't want you to shut it off.) So, incorrect
> conclusions and ridiculous opinions? Yes. Incorrect facts? No.
>
>
>>> seeking "reliable info" and should be taken into account in seeking
>>> a viewpoint which is balanced against the over-exuberance of, say,
>>> an Oxford or 4phun. Taken TOGETHER, one may gain a balanced
>>> picture.
>>
>> This is the Fox News "fair and balanced" argument and it makes no
>> sense. The truth is NOT balanced, it is the truth.
>
> Agreed, if we're talking about "facts," yes. Again, however, the
> difficulty here seems to be identifying the difference between facts
> and opinion (just like on Fox News, ironically!)
>
> The balance of OPINION from multiple viewpoints, however, can be very
> valuable, much like movie reviews- if Roger Ebert likes most of the
> same movies as I did, and for the same reasons I did, I can likely
> trust his opinions of movies I haven't seen yet. Virtually every
> reliable (professional journalist) critique of the iPhone agrees it's
> an excellent device with a few serious flaws. Has Oxford ever
> acknowledged a flaw? No, he dismisses them either as advantages
> ("Flash eats batteries,")
> unnecessary (voice dialing isn't needed since you shouldn't operate a
> cellphone in a car) or inconsequential in some Apple's/Jobs'
> Masterplanned Future Reality (3G is obsolete/unnecessary because mass
> adoption of the iPhone will drive the development of ubiquitous free
> nationwide WiFi. Yes, Oxford actually said that after the iPhone 1.0
> release. I couldn't make this stuff up!)
>
>> For the most part,Oxford and 4Phun post facts.
>
> Only By coincidence- they _mostly_ simply repost iPhone-favorable blog
> entries or news articles, often without any attribution, and often
> without regard to the reliabilty of the original source. (CNet, for
> example, might generally be considered more reliable than some
> generic consumer blogger. Without attributions, we can't gauge
> reliability.) Oxford, in particular, generally editorializes after
> the quoted blog/news item, usually without
> any clear indication (other than the natural change in tone from
> journalistic to lunatic) of what was a quote, and what were his
> additional coments. (Of course, why should we expect the use of
> quotation marks from
> a guy who hasn't mastered capitalization yet.) This of course, gives
> him the perfect alibi when he posts absolute stupidity ("don't blame
> me, blame the author") that anyone with his claimed knowledge or
> credentials should have seen was incorrect from the get go.
>
>
>> They should NOT be taken
>> together with Larry's opinions and falsehoods.
>
>
> Really? Tell us some of Larry's "falsehoods" (as opposed to his crazy
> opinions.)
>
> Let's review, OTOH, some of Oxford's recent "facts" off the top of my
> head:
>
> He answered "yes" to a question about Skype (via Fring) and
> cut-and-paste being available on the iPhone (without qualifying that
> only jailbroken phones can run those apps- an important caviat,
> wouldn't you agree?) then explained (in a different post) how the new
> app store makes jailbreaking iPhone 3Gs unnecessary (huh?). He was
> also corrected by TWO different developers today about his "facts"
> pertaining to the SDK ans app development. And, of course, there's
> nothing wrong with being wrong- one normally apologizes for the
> error, or thanks the replier for the correction, and everyone moves
> on. But not Oxford- he ignores any corrections and/or belittles the
> poster with a quip like "I only post facts" or "you don't understand
> how Apple products/modern technology works..." That damages
> credibility.
>
> Oxford's, and to a lesser extent, 4phun's "opinions" are frankly no
> crazier than Larry's- VoIP on iPhones will be the end of cellular,
> Apple will have 60% cellular marketshare in 5 years, Nokia and/or
> Verizon will be out of business in a couple of years, or that GPS
> built into the iPhone will put Garmin, etc. out of business.
> Compared to that, Larry's crap about Mossad evesdropping on our phone
> calls, and the Moon landings being faked, seem almost plausible...
>
> The REAL difference, however, is we know, from prior posts and
> context, EXACTLY who Larry is- a good ol' boy 60+ year-old
> curmudgeon, and a ham radio operator who plays with computers and
> electronics as a hobby and also to help with his organ repair biz.
>
> Who, though, is Oxford? We know that he claims to be an Apple
> "expert/insider" with hundreds of "clients," many of whom he's
> "advised" to buy iPhones. He lives in a "technologically advanced"
> city of 210,000, yet posts from Qwest's Minneapolis region- (frankly,
> if you live in a Qwest area, how "technologically advanced" can it
> be? Qwest only operates in 14 midwestern/mountain states. I'm on
> Qwest in Denver- it's not exactly Silicon Valley here!) His
> last/only "wireless phone" before the iPhone was a Macbook running
> VoIP! He has "met with/talked to Steve Jobs" but he
> never gives any specific credentials, (or denies the fake credentials
> we've invented for him: stockboy/salesperson in a Twin Cities Apple
> Store, which could actually fit ALL of his claims if you think about
> it!) ;-)
>
> Larry doesn't pretend to have any more expertise than that of a ham
> and a consumer, while Ox tells us he's "smarter than 90% of people,"
> an "expert" in the computer industry and laments that the rest of us
> can't "understand how things work" like he does.
>
> Take Larry's posts for what they're worth, but Oxford has clearly
> demonstrated that he has zero credibility on matters pertaining to
> wireless- he's failed to grasp basic concepts of cellular, and is
> VERY ignorant of non-Apple devices. He knows the features of the
> iPhone very well- I'll
> give him that, but without the context of knowing what the competition
> offers, he doesn't know in what areas the iPhone lags, and instead
> just spouts rhetoric like "it's the most technologically advanced
> phone ever built" or "other phones will all work like this in 17
> years..."
>
> He's a trolling clown, and his buffoonery makes all of his posts
> suspect, which is unfortunate because he could've been a useful
> resource about the iPhone here if he'd proven himself to be reliable.
> Sadly, finding facts in his rants is a needle/haystack situation,
> made all the more regretful since some of his needles are actually
> worth finding.
>
Amen. One of the most complete and intelligent posts I've seen on this (or
any other) n.g. in a long time. You've hit a lot of nails on the head. I'm
sure there will be those who try to retort, but they would be foolish to
try. IMHO there's not an error in your post to refute. Thanks.
anon wrote:
> In article <487b852a$0$7329$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm not a personal fan of Larry's particularly, but his points
>> about iPhone's deficits are generally accurate
>
> Larry is a troll and self admitted criminal. He has been proven to be
> about 90% incorrect.
>
>> seeking "reliable info" and should be taken into account in seeking a
>> viewpoint which is balanced against the over-exuberance of, say, an
>> Oxford
>> or 4phun. Taken TOGETHER, one may gain a balanced picture.
>
> This is the Fox News "fair and balanced" argument and it makes no
> sense. The truth is NOT balanced, it is the truth.
>
> For the most part,Oxford and 4Phun post facts. They should NOT be
> taken together with Larry's opinions and falsehoods.
>
Read Todd's post in response to this. He says it much better than I can, and
he's been a member of this group longer, so he has a better handle on each
player.
However, I do want to emphasize, in line with one aspect of Todd's post,
that upon reading YOUR post, I immediately thought you had a problem
distinguishing between opinions and facts. Neither Oxford nor 4phun
typically post citations for their expressed "facts". That you believe them
on the face value of them saying so just means that you're a biased observer
yourself.
Regardless of your opinion of Larry (and mine by the way), his list of
"questions" about iPhone functionality had a lot of merit, imo. Those
questions should not just be blown off as the rantings of a crazy person.
They have validity and beg for answers.
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