3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!

Ron wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:34:29 -0400, "Carl"
> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Ron wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:25:59 -0400, "Carl"
>>> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 4phun wrote:
>>>>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G
>>>>> iPhone sucks because of its little built in battery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
>>>>> battery life of all 3G phones! It even beats Sprint's Instinct
>>>>> which is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha HA Boo Hah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL
>>>>>
>>>> I don't know what other people are saying, but I think you miss
>>>> this point by a long shot. It doesn't matter that in some lab
>>>> "test" done under non-real-world circumstances that the iPhone's
>>>> battery "beats" some other battery. That's like believing the
>>>> gas-mileage figures posted on new cars, figures which have little
>>>> relationship to real-world driving.
>>>>
>>>> Here's an example. I, for one, travel to Cabos, Mx once a year. The
>>>> one-way trip takes me up to 9 or 10 hours with plane switching, not
>>>> counting potential delays. If I wanted to listen to songs for the 7
>>>> hours I'm on a plane, and browse the internet for the 3 hours of
>>>> 'other' time wasted in airports, even leaving out watching a movie
>>>> on the thing, will the battery last me for that long? What do I do
>>>> if it doesn't? Do I have an option? Even worse, on the return trip
>>>> can I count on having enough battery life left to make a few phone
>>>> calls, like to locate my car service or meet whomever is picking me
>>>> up, after using the device for 10 hours on the trip? Can I COUNT
>>>> on it, is the key operative phrase?
>>>>
>>>> Other phones' batteries may not last as long in lab testing, but
>>>> you can bring an extra or two, or three, and COUNT on the device
>>>> being operative if and when you really need it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know your life, but if you're a person who stays close to
>>>> home, and your only concern is if you can squeeze out an extra test
>>>> message or two to your friends after you've received a few phone
>>>> calls or listened to your tunes while you're at the gym for an
>>>> hour, and you're not worried because if your battery runs down
>>>> you're not that far from home, then we have different expectations
>>>> and a way different perspective on how we need our phones to
>>>> operate.
>>>>
>>>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>>>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should
>>>> decide to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being
>>>> fearful of using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>>>>
>>> Sorry you have such trouble with your plane travels.
>>>
>>> For very little you can get a thingie to plug your iPhone into power
>>> at your plane seat and keep it fully charged. Also many people
>>> charge devices in their car, its new technology you may not have
>>> heard of its called a "car Charger".
>>>
>>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics...i_sku=10326243
>>>
>>> When I fly I sit just outside the Continental Airlines Presidents
>>> club. I can plug into a standard AC outlet in the wall
>>> (for my Apple Pismo laptop), and use the open WiFi of Continental.
>>>
>> 1. It must be very uncomfortable sitting outside that club while the
>> plane is flying.
>
>
> Meanwhile you ignore my link to a charger that allows you to charge an
> iPhone while on a Plane.
>
I apologize. I didn't ignore it. I just neglected to addres it. Not a bad
solution, I'll admit. But do all airlines provide 15V power jacks at all
seats? I may not have looked, and I have to admit ignorance here, but I've
never noticed one at the seats I have to sit in!.

DevilsPGD wrote:
> In message <487c00bd$0$5009$607ed4bc@cv.net> "Carl"
> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>>> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html
>>>
>> Now THERE'S a reasonable looking solution to the battery life
>> problem I posed. Not like the foolish rantings of Ron. Not being an
>> iPhone owner (yet), I didn't know that existed, or that it was a
>> viable option for the iPhone (as opposed to the iPod). If the
>> internal battery was completely dead, would that accessory sustain
>> several phone calls on a pair of AA's? Thanks for the info.
>
> http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:APC%20UP...ery:1994039128 is
> better, it can power any device which needs can charge from USB.
>
Thanks for that. The list of alternative solutions to the non-replaceable
battery problem is growing.

Oxford wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>>> here is one of many solutions:
>>>
>>> http://store.mygearstore.com/41222.html
>>>
>> Now THERE'S a reasonable looking solution to the battery life
>> problem I posed. Not like the foolish rantings of Ron. Not being an
>> iPhone owner (yet), I didn't know that existed, or that it was a
>> viable option for the iPhone (as opposed to the iPod). If the
>> internal battery was completely dead, would that accessory sustain
>> several phone calls on a pair of AA's? Thanks for the info.
>
> yes, should give you around 8 hours more of talk time if your internal
> battery is dead (which would be very unlikely)... i assume that's
> using alkaline batteries, probably much more if you go with lithium.
>
Gotcha. Thanks.

David Moyer wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Some offered solutions that weren't unthinkable, but were often
>> expensive and/or added size and cumbersomeness. All to rationalize
>> what could have been an easy solution: make the battery pack
>> user-changeable. Period.
>
> what are you trying to do Carl? it seems like with every valid
> solution you balk and want to somehow not carry an extra battery for
> the iphone, but will carry an extra one for the other types of
> smartphones.
>
> i think you'll be shocked at how long the battery lasts in the iphone,
> it will be plenty for a flight to mexico... just make sure bluetooth,
> 3G, wifi is off and you'll have no problem.
>
> if you don't believe me, get a little $4 battery pack, get some
> lithium AA batteries and you'll be fine for the flight back as well.
>
I'm not sure I get your direction here. I'm not balking at carrying an extra
battery for the iPhone. But the suggestions don't entail carrying an extra
battery since that's not possible with the iPhone. An extra battery for my
BB (or for my last Motorola) is about 3 sq in and weighs a fraction of an
ounce. It's not a box that's the same height, width, and greater in
thickness than the phone itself. And it doesn't require an external hook up
along with its related cable. What a cumbersome arrangement for a small,
portable device. We used to call these types of alternatives "patchwork"
solutions in the old days.

Look, the original issue on the table was why Apple couldn't allow for a
user-replaceable battery. It's a valid question and a valid issue.
Patchwork solutions are fixes for deficiencies. Instead of defending this
fairly glaring omission on Apple's part, you should be helping to apply
pressue on Apple to correct this in future versions.

If you've followed my posts, you'd see that I'm attracted to the iPhone and
may very well get one. I'm neither a "fanboy" nor a detractor. But these
questions have come up here from time to time and I am often surprised at
how some are so willing to overlook deficiencies in the iPhone that were
"corrected" in other products long ago, and so defensive of the product in
an emotional way that belies that it's just an object. What was that
psychological condition that the TV show Boston Legal created for one of its
characters where she fell in love with various household appliances?
Objectophilia? Be careful or we'll soon be finding "Objectophilia" actually
defined in the next edition of DSM (the psychiatrist's manual of psychiatric
disorders).

Larry wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
> news:487bd2b9$0$7337$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide
>> to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being fearful of
>> using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I think I've found a solution!
> http://www.earthtechproducts.com/p2649.html
> Should keep a FruitFone running for days, especially if you leave it
> in the sun!
>
> It may be the ONLY solution.....(c;
>
So the new Apple iPhone, coupled with one of these, is reminiscent of the
original "bag phones" (of which I had one) of the early '90's, but minus the
3 watts of transmit power. So, are we then actually moving backwards in
technology??? :-)

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 14 Jul 2008 14:34:22 -0700 4phun wrote:
>> This is a hoot with all the wannabe experts saying that the 3G iPhone
>> sucks because of its little built in battery.
>
> No, that aspect of it's design sucks because of the little
> NON-SWAPPABLE battery.
>
>
> You seem awfully chipper pointing to a chart from an article titled:
> "3G iPhone's Mediocre Battery Life Still Beats Rivals..."
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/148348/
>
> (Of course, you only linked to the chart - not to the
> less-than-glowing article that spawned it. Hmmm....)
>
>> Weekend tech tests show the 3G iPhone little battery has the best
>> battery life of all 3G phones!
>
> No, it had the best battery life of the TEN smartphones PC World
> tested and put in the chart. No Nokia phone is listed, 3G
> "dumphones" like the Moto Razrs aren't listed, and I don't see any
> Blackberries. My wife's work- issued Blackberry runs so damn long
> compared to our WinMo phones, I've always suspected RIM has mastered
> Cold Fusion and just never told anyone...
>
>
>> It even beats Sprint's Instinct which
>> is a less power hungry network for voice calls.!
>>
>> Ha HA Boo Hah
>
>
> By about five minutes. Very impressive.
>
>
>> Here is the offical chart to view at your leisure...
>
> Oh, let's fix that link for you, 4phun:
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/148348/
>
> So the iPhone's battery life sucks a little less than the other phones
> tested. Wheee...
>
> PC World said of that stellar performance: "the 3G iPhone beat out
> the rest of the current 3G smart-phone pack, most of which fell shy
> of the 5-hour mark that's the cutoff between a word score of Fair and
> one of Poor in our performance ratings."
>
> Wow. The iPhone's battery life is "fair" instead of "poor." I
> wonder if Apple will add that to the brochure?
>
> My AT&T Tilt's battery life (coming in nearly an hour shorter than the
> iPhone's on that chart) is absolutely terrible. (Or should I say
> 'poor'?) I REALLY feel for the owners of the five phones on the chart
> that the Tilt beat. Hopefully those phones come with an external
> batery pack- maybe something along the lines of a backpack with a 12V
> deep-cycle marine battery in it! ;-)
>
> Looking at the chart you linked, I should be thrilled with the Tilt's
> battery life- it's 80+% of the iPhone's! If that's the case, the
> iPhone would get maybe 15 hours of life from my usage pattern
> compared to the 12 my Tilt gets. Wheeee...
>
> PC World summed it up with: "the good news for 3G iPhone owners is
> that they're probably better off than other 3G handset owners in
> terms of battery life. But that won't help when your 3G iPhone stops
> running at the end of a long and busy day."
>
And it's this last paragraph that is at the heart of this entire thread:
there is some point, for some users, that the iPhone will stop running, most
probably at some inconvenient time and place. And there's very little they
can do about it, short of carrying around another box, larger than the phone
itself, which advocates call "battery extenders". Someone made a reference
earlier to the Bat Belt. It appears that's where this new technology is
headed.

On Jul 14, 6:25*pm, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should *decide to ge

Crazy talk. I, like most, have not owned a spare battery for any phone
I've had in the past several years (since I switched from dual-mode D-
AMPS to GSM, in fact).

zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 14, 6:25 pm, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should decide
>> to ge
>
> Crazy talk. I, like most, have not owned a spare battery for any phone
> I've had in the past several years (since I switched from dual-mode D-
> AMPS to GSM, in fact).
>
It would be crazy talk if we were comparing appes to apples (pun intended).
But we're not. And, yes, with all my past PHONES I found a spare battery a
waste of time and money too. But the iPhone is not inherently just a phone.

Now we have a device that is actually four devices in one: a phone, an
internet browser, a music player, and a video player (did I miss anything).
Oh yeah, a PDA of sorts too. Five-in-one. And we're expecting it to last all
day on one battery. It will. If you don't use it.

Please see my post, somewhere above, on a typical plane trip I might take,
and consider whether you would count on that battery lasting for you through
that day. And I mean DEPEND on it, as if the phone part might be imminently
important to you at the end of that day.

"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
news:487c98f0$0$20909$607ed4bc@cv.net:

> Larry wrote:
>> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
>> news:487bd2b9$0$7337$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>
>>> No matter how you slice it, Apple's failure to make the battery
>>> user-replaceable is a huge error imho. I suspect that, should
>>> decide to ge an iPhone, I'll be spending a lot of my time being
>>> fearful of using it for the reasons mentioned above.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I think I've found a solution!
>> http://www.earthtechproducts.com/p2649.html
>> Should keep a FruitFone running for days, especially if you leave it
>> in the sun!
>>
>> It may be the ONLY solution.....(c;
>>
> So the new Apple iPhone, coupled with one of these, is reminiscent of
> the original "bag phones" (of which I had one) of the early '90's, but
> minus the 3 watts of transmit power. So, are we then actually moving
> backwards in technology??? :-)
>
>
>

Looks that way if you wanna talk and play all day or on a trip...(c;

I had several bagphones....worked great!

I stood in the eye of Hurricane Hugo in 1989 talking to someone in Ohio
on my Motorola bagphone describing how beautiful the stars were...mostly
because all the trees that USED to be in the way, were now somewhere
else and someone else's trees were laying on the street from miles away.

.......then the other side of the storm tried to move the house I was a
refugee in back the other way the 6" it had already moved by the front
side of the storm.....in the pitch black dark, the power system of SC
having been destroyed....

"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> Look, the original issue on the table was why Apple couldn't allow for a
> user-replaceable battery. It's a valid question and a valid issue.
> Patchwork solutions are fixes for deficiencies. Instead of defending this
> fairly glaring omission on Apple's part, you should be helping to apply
> pressue on Apple to correct this in future versions.

no, that would weaken the physical structure of the phone and make it
much less reliable. removable batteries really aren't needed in today's
world, it's just the public's mindset of living in the 80's when you DID
need to have extra batteries that is in error.