3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!

On Jul 15, 6:17*pm, Oxford <ap...@pasture.com> wrote:

> then obviously something else is wrong, have your friend reinstall 2.0,
> and that should fix it... 1.0 & 2.0 runs at the same speed.

Not true. The feel of the device is significantly different under 2.0.
Auto-replaced text sometimes appears magically before the popup that's
supposed to let you decide if you want your word to be "corrected".
And from time to time the device will get into a "mood" where you're
typing and each key takes a second or more to pop up after you tap the
button.

On 7/15/08 10:48 PM, in article Xns9ADD21B9B91Enoonehomecom@208.49.80.253,
"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:150720081848116670%
> nospam@nospam.invalid:
>
>> such as the
>> crj, there isn't any seat power, but those planes are used for short
>> flights so it's not a big deal.
>>
>
> On those planes, you have to lean over the pilot and ask him to plug the
> cord into where the cigarette lighter plugs into the dash by the COMM/NAV
> display next to the fuel guage....(c;
>
> Be careful not to bump the throttle in and scare the hell out of the other
> passenger....singular....
>
> "We must have quite a headwind, today. There goes the Greyhound Bus, with
> our luggage on it, beating us to town on the main road below!"
>
You need to stop drinking so heavily.

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 16 Jul 2008 00:26:09 -0400 Carl wrote:
>> You can't beat that iPhone web browser, nope, though I do have to say
> that
>> the BB's does the job for the limited things I use it for (an
>> occasional google search to price compare or resolve an argument
>> needing a fact, reading the NY Times while killing time, searching
>> for an address or
> phone
>> number of a restaurant, etc.)
>
> Have you tried Opera Mini? (Go to mini.opera.com from your BB.)
> It's not quite as good as the iPhone browser/UI, of course, (no
> pinching/sweezing) but renders most of the same pages and has
> zoom/pan.
>
> I use it as a backup for my WinMo phone's included browser for sites
> it can't render or renders poorly. It gives a decent "desktop"
> experience.
>
>> But the iPhone has that unexplainable, intangible appeal... ;-)
>
> It certainly does. They made a very nice product that gets most of
> it right, then dropped the ball completely with the rest...
>
Yes, I have Opera Mini on my Curve and had it on my Pearl. The truth is,
while I think it's extraordinarily clever, it's not my go-to browser on
those phones. It introduces other problems while appearing to fix only the
"look" of browsing on the BB's. In the end, I find the built in BB browser
to be practical, faster, and clearer; ie. it gets the job done.

I agree with your last paragraph. Apple has made an outstanding product, but
with just a couple of tweaks it could have been truly exceptionally
outstanding.

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 16 Jul 2008 00:34:16 -0400 Carl wrote:
>
>> Some of you guys tend to address this issue from a very personal
>> point of view. Ok. Everyone here raise their hands who both never
>> take an air flight longer than 5 hours and also ride the Amtrak
>> train. Charles, please take your specific interest group in that
>> corner over there.
>
>
> To be fair, however, long plane flights, IMO, are a special case, and
> not a reason to reject a particular phone. It's an unusually lengthy
> time without the ability to charge, coupled with longer than average
> use of portable electronics since you've got nothing else to do!
>
> I don't carry an external battery pack around everyday, but I carry
> two or three (including a homemade 4AA charger I cobbled together
> with parts from Radio Shack and change the output plug whenever I get
> a new PDA!)
>
> The reason for the multiples is when traveling with family, keeping
> two smartphones, two Zunes and my old Dell PDA (now acting as a media
> player) powered on long flights.
> Sure a replaceable battery on the iPhone would be welcome, but if the
> ONLY time it'd be a problem for you is a long flight, and would
> otherwise get you through a "normal" day, I wouldn't eliminate it
> from contention on that alone. An external/emergency charger isn't
> THAT much of a burden in your carry-on bag. (Carrying it around in
> your back pocket for a daily 4:30 PM refresh would be, however!)
>
Agreed on all points. But this issue began as someone stating that they felt
that Apple's not making the battery user-replaceable was a mistake. Now that
is an arguable position imo. But that statement led to the overzealous
defenders of Apple offering a pot pourei (sp?) of alternative solutions,
none of which, again imho, truly satisfy the desire for a simple replaceable
battery, and which appear instead as rationalizations. Etc. and so on, ad
nauseum.

Anyway, I love the iPhone concept, know within myself that I am gearing up
toward getting one, and that if Verizon had gotten them, I would have been
among the first, no question about it.

Being on a Family Share Plan with Verizon, with three phones on the plan, is
partly what's keeping me from making the switch, besides my doubts that AT&T
is as good a phone service in my area. I'll bide a little time and probably
break down after the hype dies down a little. I also want to make sure that
Apple doesn't pull another "discontinue the 8GB model" or "lower the price"
routine before I jump in.

On Jul 16, 12:26*am, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> My BB Curve has fine music player in it and will accept up to a 16GB cardI
> believe. I have an 8GB in there now. All my songs are on it as well as all

I like the iPod interface, though - and we have content from the iTMS.
I mostly listen to '50s and earlier radio programming from www.archive.org
though.

> You're incorrect about the unlimited data fees of the BB being more
> expensive, perhaps depending upon the carrier you're using. I pay $30/mo

$49.95/mo for unlimited BB data on AT&T, or at least that's what I was
paying a year ago. That's in addition to voice and SMS package plans.
Less with my employer discount.

Currently I pay ~$150/mo for two iPhones and two regular phones on a
shared minutes plan.

> You can't beat that iPhone web browser, nope, though I do have to say that
> the BB's does the job for the limited things I use it for (an occasional

It's probably better now than it was on the 7290, but I found the
7290's browser very limited and frustrating to use. That's also partly
because websites would detect it and redirect me to a WAP-like mobile
version of their content.

"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:487e3106$0$7340$607ed4bc@cv.net...

> Agreed on all points. But this issue began as someone stating that they
> felt that Apple's not making the battery user-replaceable was a mistake.
> Now that is an arguable position imo. But that statement led to the
> overzealous defenders of Apple offering a pot pourei (sp?) of alternative
> solutions, none of which, again imho, truly satisfy the desire for a
> simple replaceable battery, and which appear instead as rationalizations.
> Etc. and so on, ad nauseum.

True, but a practical matter, it really doesn't matter if they are
rationalizations- Oxford, et al, might truly believe that the
non-replaceable battery makes the iPhone "sturdier" or that Apple deemed it
adequate for 5,237 years of normal operation between recharges, but in any
case, that's the battery it's stuck with! Given that, the practical answer
is to invest in the least offensive (to you) battery extender/eliminator if
you're determined to buy an iPhone.

Sure, in a perfect world, the battery would be swappable, but in reality,
carrying a small eliminator is hardly more work, and only a bit more akward,
than carrying a spare battery. With luck you wouldn't need it often anyway.
I never use mine unless traveling, since between home, work and car, I
generally have a charger handy if my PPC phone needs a quick top-up during
the day.


> Anyway, I love the iPhone concept, know within myself that I am gearing up
> toward getting one, and that if Verizon had gotten them, I would have been
> among the first, no question about it.
>
> Being on a Family Share Plan with Verizon, with three phones on the plan,
> is partly what's keeping me from making the switch, besides my doubts that
> AT&T is as good a phone service in my area. I'll bide a little time and
> probably break down after the hype dies down a little. I also want to make
> sure that Apple doesn't pull another "discontinue the 8GB model" or "lower
> the price" routine before I jump in.

To be fair to AT&T, their online street-level coverage maps are pretty darn
accurate. Another thing you can try- particulary before flipping an entire
family to a new service, is to buy an el-cheapo AT&T prepaid phone from
Target or Walmart and carry it around with you for a few weeks ensuring it
has coverage everywhere you need it. (You can even forward all of your
current phone's calls to the prepaid and carry that as a primary phone.)

And, yes, I'm aware new customers get a 14-30 day trial with a new service,
but especially with a family plan it's a heck of a hassle to port everyone
over to a new service and then port back with your tail between your legs to
you old carrier if it doesn't work out. You also might lose whatever
"loyalty credit" (literal and/or figurative) your prior tenure built-up with
your old carrier. Maybe it makes no difference, but when I'm "negotiating"
with T-Mobile over a customer service issue, I feel I have far more leverage
as a seven-year customer out-of-contract, than a new customer in one. For
those reasons, dropping $40-50 on a prepaid phone and some airtime is a
preferable trial to switching and taking advantage of the grace period
(which most carriers prorate monthly fees on anyway, so it's not like the
trial would be "free" anyway.)

I wouldn't let the anti-AT&T posts here give you a negative impression- AT&T
is a good service. I'd say Verizon still holds a SLIGHT edge, but it's not
as great as some seem to think (I'm talking to you Steven Scharf!) ;-) and
that edge certainly has narrowed since most analog roaming has been
eliminated. Remember- every carrier doesn't work somewhere! If you're
really hankering for an iPhone, I wouldn't let the fact that it's exclusive
to AT&T deter you, unless by some dumb luck you live or work in an AT&T dead
spot


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"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:487e2db4$0$5011$607ed4bc@cv.net...

> Yes, I have Opera Mini on my Curve and had it on my Pearl. The truth is,
> while I think it's extraordinarily clever, it's not my go-to browser on
> those phones. It introduces other problems while appearing to fix only the
> "look" of browsing on the BB's. In the end, I find the built in BB browser
> to be practical, faster, and clearer; ie. it gets the job done.

Agreed, with respect to my WinMo phone as well- Mini makes a nice backup,
however, for those pages that the built-in browser either mangles beyond
recognition, or refuses to display a "real" page instead of it's
mobile-formatted substitute.

George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote in news:C4A3667D.BC72%
ghost_topper@hotmail.com:

> You need to stop drinking so heavily.
>
>
>

It's not me it's the copilot!

The stewardess filled his glass with bourbon 3 times!

zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:

> On Jul 15, 6:17*pm, Oxford <ap...@pasture.com> wrote:
>
> > then obviously something else is wrong, have your friend reinstall 2.0,
> > and that should fix it... 1.0 & 2.0 runs at the same speed.
>
> Not true. The feel of the device is significantly different under 2.0.
> Auto-replaced text sometimes appears magically before the popup that's
> supposed to let you decide if you want your word to be "corrected".
> And from time to time the device will get into a "mood" where you're
> typing and each key takes a second or more to pop up after you tap the
> button.

something else is a miss, mine and plenty of others are working at the
same speed as 1.0... so reinstall 2.0...

their is absolutely no difference in speed between 1.0 and 2.0 if
everything is installed correctly.

"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
news:apony-8D26C9.00033017072008@news.qwest.net...
> zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Jul 15, 6:17 pm, Oxford <ap...@pasture.com> wrote:
>>
>> > then obviously something else is wrong, have your friend reinstall 2.0,
>> > and that should fix it... 1.0 & 2.0 runs at the same speed.
>>
>> Not true. The feel of the device is significantly different under 2.0.
>> Auto-replaced text sometimes appears magically before the popup that's
>> supposed to let you decide if you want your word to be "corrected".
>> And from time to time the device will get into a "mood" where you're
>> typing and each key takes a second or more to pop up after you tap the
>> button.
>
> something else is a miss, mine and plenty of others are working at the
> same speed as 1.0... so reinstall 2.0...
>
> their is absolutely no difference in speed between 1.0 and 2.0 if
> everything is installed correctly.

Then tell us why apple knows of this slow down and is looking into it ?
You don't know squat.