3G iPHONE leads all 3G Phones in Battery Life!!!!!!!

Todd Allcock wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:487e3106$0$7340$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
>> Agreed on all points. But this issue began as someone stating that
>> they felt that Apple's not making the battery user-replaceable was a
>> mistake. Now that is an arguable position imo. But that statement
>> led to the overzealous defenders of Apple offering a pot pourei
>> (sp?) of alternative solutions, none of which, again imho, truly
>> satisfy the desire for a simple replaceable battery, and which
>> appear instead as rationalizations. Etc. and so on, ad nauseum.
>
> True, but a practical matter, it really doesn't matter if they are
> rationalizations- Oxford, et al, might truly believe that the
> non-replaceable battery makes the iPhone "sturdier" or that Apple
> deemed it adequate for 5,237 years of normal operation between
> recharges, but in any case, that's the battery it's stuck with! Given
> that, the practical answer is to invest in the least offensive
> (to you) battery extender/eliminator if you're determined to buy an
> iPhone.
> Sure, in a perfect world, the battery would be swappable, but in
> reality, carrying a small eliminator is hardly more work, and only a
> bit more akward, than carrying a spare battery. With luck you
> wouldn't need it often anyway. I never use mine unless traveling,
> since between home, work and car, I generally have a charger handy if
> my PPC phone needs a quick top-up during the day.
>
>
>> Anyway, I love the iPhone concept, know within myself that I am
>> gearing up toward getting one, and that if Verizon had gotten them,
>> I would have been among the first, no question about it.
>>
>> Being on a Family Share Plan with Verizon, with three phones on the
>> plan, is partly what's keeping me from making the switch, besides my
>> doubts that AT&T is as good a phone service in my area. I'll bide a
>> little time and probably break down after the hype dies down a
>> little. I also want to make sure that Apple doesn't pull another
>> "discontinue the 8GB model" or "lower the price" routine before I
>> jump in.
>
> To be fair to AT&T, their online street-level coverage maps are
> pretty darn accurate. Another thing you can try- particulary before
> flipping an entire family to a new service, is to buy an el-cheapo
> AT&T prepaid phone from Target or Walmart and carry it around with
> you for a few weeks ensuring it has coverage everywhere you need it. (You
> can even forward all of your current phone's calls to the
> prepaid and carry that as a primary phone.)
> And, yes, I'm aware new customers get a 14-30 day trial with a new
> service, but especially with a family plan it's a heck of a hassle to
> port everyone over to a new service and then port back with your tail
> between your legs to you old carrier if it doesn't work out. You
> also might lose whatever "loyalty credit" (literal and/or figurative)
> your prior tenure built-up with your old carrier. Maybe it makes no
> difference, but when I'm "negotiating" with T-Mobile over a customer
> service issue, I feel I have far more leverage as a seven-year
> customer out-of-contract, than a new customer in one. For those
> reasons, dropping $40-50 on a prepaid phone and some airtime is a
> preferable trial to switching and taking advantage of the grace
> period (which most carriers prorate monthly fees on anyway, so it's
> not like the trial would be "free" anyway.)
> I wouldn't let the anti-AT&T posts here give you a negative
> impression- AT&T is a good service. I'd say Verizon still holds a
> SLIGHT edge, but it's not as great as some seem to think (I'm talking
> to you Steven Scharf!) ;-) and that edge certainly has narrowed
> since most analog roaming has been eliminated. Remember- every
> carrier doesn't work somewhere! If you're really hankering for an
> iPhone, I wouldn't let the fact that it's exclusive to AT&T deter
> you, unless by some dumb luck you live or work in an AT&T dead spot
>
>
> .
Great information and a solid perspective. Thanks.

I wasn't thinking of moving the whole family though, just myself. They like
it where they are and neither use data services. I believe the two of them
can stay on the Family Share Plan and they can reduce the shared minutes to
reduce the costs.

On Jul 17, 2:03*am, Oxford <ap...@pasture.com> wrote:

> their is absolutely no difference in speed between 1.0 and 2.0 if
> everything is installed correctly.

The "reformat and reinstall" school of thought really doesn't cut it.
I love my iPhone, but frankly - you're full of it if you're rabbiting
on about a fairly widely-reported issue and claiming it's a non-issue.

I suspect that it's something to do with the "persistent IP
connection" Apple provides to keep alive apps like AIM that would like
to run in the background but can't. I never see the problem when I'm
on WiFi; I think that when I'm on EDGE, sometimes the connection can't
be established/reopened and the thread that's listening to that
connection starts to chew up a lot of CPU time for some reason.

I have no use for push data and would like to permanently and totally
disable this feature, especially if it really is the cause of my
slowdown.

zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 16, 12:26 am, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> My BB Curve has fine music player in it and will accept up to a 16GB
>> card I believe. I have an 8GB in there now. All my songs are on it
>> as well as all
>
> I like the iPod interface, though - and we have content from the iTMS.
> I mostly listen to '50s and earlier radio programming from
> www.archive.org though.
>
>> You're incorrect about the unlimited data fees of the BB being more
>> expensive, perhaps depending upon the carrier you're using. I pay
>> $30/mo
>
> $49.95/mo for unlimited BB data on AT&T, or at least that's what I was
> paying a year ago. That's in addition to voice and SMS package plans.
> Less with my employer discount.
>
Unlimited data on Verizon was $45/mo until about 3 months ago when they
decided to be more reasonable for non-business users and offered a $30/mo
plan which I switched to only due to the astuteness of a knowledgable
Verizon rep. Turned out he was right. Many things change in a year though I
can't speak for AT&T on this.
>
> Currently I pay ~$150/mo for two iPhones and two regular phones on a
> shared minutes plan.
>
>> You can't beat that iPhone web browser, nope, though I do have to
>> say that the BB's does the job for the limited things I use it for
>> (an occasional
>
> It's probably better now than it was on the 7290, but I found the
> 7290's browser very limited and frustrating to use. That's also partly
> because websites would detect it and redirect me to a WAP-like mobile
> version of their content.
>
While I don't mind the web browser included on the BB and find it practical,
some websites do detect it and switch you to the mobile version, but not
all. I do believe you would find it greatly improved over the older 7290
though.

I sometime use a program called Opera Mini which simulates a full-content
browser on the BB. It looks pretty, but reduces the content down to unreadle
size (I guess because th device's screen is so small). You then have to zoom
in to sections of the content, and, while looking more "real", I find that
to be more distracting than using the BB browser with its reduced content. I
imagine the iPhone is better at this because the screen is much bigger.

Carl <crothman@nospamoptonline.net> wrote:
> >>> For very little you can get a thingie to plug your iPhone into power
> >>> at your plane seat and keep it fully charged. Also many people

> I apologize. I didn't ignore it. I just neglected to addres it. Not a bad
> solution, I'll admit. But do all airlines provide 15V power jacks at all
> seats? I may not have looked, and I have to admit ignorance here, but I've
> never noticed one at the seats I have to sit in!.

The only plane I ever phone the power socket on was the flight just before
I bought the Targus Auto-Air Adapter.

Never saw another one. ;-(
I thought since I was flying the same route, on the same airline, with the
same model airplane, my chances were pretty good.

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