Why is iPhone winning SO important?

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderd...canaccord-ups-
ests-sees-no-iphone-impact/?mod=yahoobarrons

Here's a Barron's blogger showing the FACT of RIM's Blackberry sales during
the iPhone brewhaha week....with little effect. Some analyst or another
upgraded his expectations of RIM's earnings in 2Q08. ATT is selling lots
of Blackberries, probably because the stupids who run Apple won't give ATT
stores iPhones to sell trying to stop the discounting.

Big deal...who cares? Well, obviously, for some reason, this puts the
Apple fanbois into full attack mode! Look at the responses to this posting
noting the NUMBERS, as analysts are want to do....

Man, they call him every name in the book! The venom is amazing!

Any idea why they care so much? Do they think if RIM crashes it will
create some wonderful utopia of fruitphones?


What a strange psychological phenomenon this little board of old
electronics makes.....

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:36:47 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:


>Any idea why they care so much?

I think you set yourself up for the reflexive answer "why do
you?"

>
>What a strange psychological phenomenon this little board of old
>electronics makes.....

You can say that again. Look, Apple users see the RIM device
as being deficient in ways that are important to them. BB users see
the iPhone as deficient in features that are important to them.
Windows Mobile users have features they champion that the other two
lack. Each thinks their platform offers the most best stuff. If
everyone's getting what they want there should be peace, right?

But each one wants their gang to dominate for a practical
reason, which is that if the whole world comes over to their side it's
bound to benefit their preferred technology.

There are definitely strong parallels to global politics and
religion. Hopefully no one's going to bomb anyone.

DGI

On Jul 17, 5:36*pm, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderd...canaccord-ups-
> ests-sees-no-iphone-impact/?mod=yahoobarrons
>
> Here's a Barron's blogger showing the FACT of RIM's Blackberry sales during
> the iPhone brewhaha week....with little effect. *Some analyst or another
> upgraded his expectations of RIM's earnings in 2Q08. *ATT is selling lots
> of Blackberries, probably because the stupids who run Apple won't give ATT
> stores iPhones to sell trying to stop the discounting.
>
> Big deal...who cares? *Well, obviously, for some reason, this puts the
> Apple fanbois into full attack mode! *Look at the responses to this posting
> noting the NUMBERS, as analysts are want to do....
>
> Man, they call him every name in the book! *The venom is amazing!
>
> Any idea why they care so much? *Do they think if RIM crashes it will
> create some wonderful utopia of fruitphones?
>
> What a strange psychological phenomenon this little board of old
> electronics makes.....

What is odd is that when I went there I see Barons a few minutes ago I
see this news which contadicts that blogger.

Research in Motion (RIMM: Nasdaq) By Needham & Co. ($111.58 July 17,
2008, )

We're cutting RIM from a Hold to an Underperform rating and reducing
estimates.

Now Larry I know you are and old crank but under perform means "we
think their future profit potential sucks".
If you like that type of investment like RIMM I will contact you off
list and introduce you to Guidodo who will sell you a bunch of
stock ;>)

BTW I have seen a number of other analysts that now suggest selling
RIMM based on concern the demand is growing exponentially for Apple's
iPhone with the new App store open.

Did you see the latest from NY Times and David Pouge?

David G. Imber wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:36:47 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Any idea why they care so much?
>
> I think you set yourself up for the reflexive answer "why do
> you?"
>
>> What a strange psychological phenomenon this little board of old
>> electronics makes.....
>
> You can say that again. Look, Apple users see the RIM device
> as being deficient in ways that are important to them. BB users see
> the iPhone as deficient in features that are important to them.
> Windows Mobile users have features they champion that the other two
> lack. Each thinks their platform offers the most best stuff. If
> everyone's getting what they want there should be peace, right?
>
> But each one wants their gang to dominate for a practical
> reason, which is that if the whole world comes over to their side it's
> bound to benefit their preferred technology.
>
> There are definitely strong parallels to global politics and
> religion. Hopefully no one's going to bomb anyone.

Except that many of us can see the forest for the trees.

I received an e-mail from my carrier today, telling me that it's time
for my "new every two." I'd like a smart-phone with WiFi. That limits me
two two choices from Verizon. Neither has a good browser like the
iPhone, but actually what's more important to me is the ability to
create, edit, and store Word and Excel documents. The iPhone can't do
this, at least not yet. I tried going to the apps store to see if there
were any programs to do this on the iPhone, but there are none (Mariner
said they'd have one when the apps store launched, but no cigar).

David G. Imber <imber@maniform.com> wrote in
news:cjvv74pbkqehg13ls3jf27cb2bvhneigtg@4ax.com:

> There are definitely strong parallels to global politics and
> religion. Hopefully no one's going to bomb anyone.
>
>

It does border on religion with many. I like the N800, but I'm not
"devoted" to it. It's just the best available at the time. I see noise
today in the new they're going to turn the iPhone into a full fledged
"pocket computer", now! Unless some miracle happens and it grows some
holes to plug things in, that ain't gonna happen.

God, the childish crap on the app store makes me wonder if the PSP isn't
more of a computer. Hell, the PSP runs Skype!...and has better games.

And, from the developers....
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/7/i...t-apple-won-t-
let-us-fix-bugs-aapl-

What a crock....

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:1cc6737c-fbbd-4653-830d-
fdd6d8f50ccf@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> Now Larry I know you are and old crank but under perform means "we
> think their future profit potential sucks".
> If you like that type of investment like RIMM I will contact you off
> list and introduce you to Guidodo who will sell you a bunch of
> stock ;>)
>
> BTW I have seen a number of other analysts that now suggest selling
> RIMM based on concern the demand is growing exponentially for Apple's
> iPhone with the new App store open.
>
> Did you see the latest from NY Times and David Pouge?
>
>
>

RIM has a niche that's a different niche than iPhone. RIM is a business
tool, and is bought by the business community which is very hard to move
off something it likes. Look how long they carried their Palm Pilots.

iPhone is a kiddie toy, another MP3 player and video game with a built-
in sellphone. God, man, look through the app store! See any SSH
software? How about a turn-by-turn GPS app? See any job
planning/timeline? ...any spreadsheet? ....any word processing?
.....time and materiel logging? ...printer drivers? Hell, it won't even
do a simple cut and paste on a notepad from the browser because it
doesn't support cut and paste and that wouldn't matter because you can
only have one app running at a time! It's not going to be a business
tool until it starts acting like a BUSINESS COMPUTER...email, SSH,
remote desktop, company infrastructure machine the IT department at
Smiley's Machine Tool and Storm Door can program, itself, in C++ or
Python or one of the other programming languages they use. IT won't buy
it because it's all closed up! They dumped Windows for Linux to get an
OPEN SYSTEM their programmers could control without some silly
licensing/money laundering scheme like Apple or Micro$oft or Sun Sparc
or (put your fav flavor of proprietary closed crap here). Advertising
and hype isn't going to make it happen like it does with the kiddies.
IT gives a shit less if it's "cool". Besides, it has a CAMERA that's
forbidden in the building to save the spying of proprietary company
secrets, real or imagined. NOONE's going to allow ANYTHING with a lens
in the building. Disabled? Bullshit! NO CAMERAS ALLOWED, just like
the Pentagon.

iPhone is no threat to the Blackberry business machines firmly
entrenched into business society at all. You boys are dreamin'!

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:afVfk.33347$ZE5.32585
@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:

> I'd like a smart-phone with WiFi. That limits me
> two two choices from Verizon. Neither has a good browser like the
> iPhone, but actually what's more important to me is the ability to
> create, edit, and store Word and Excel documents.

None of the Sellphone carriers are going to be selling anything that does
more than email, SMS and webpages they can control and RESELL. If they let
you have word processing, database access, big spreadsheets of important
numbers, that will use BANDWIDTH, which Sellphone companies now oppose
because they cannot sell it for a dollar a megabyte any more. So, they
simply don't sell any device that uses serious bandwidth. They put useless
little browsers on the phones that won't really display a real webpage
BECAUSE a real webpage, with all the spam Flash movies, giant moving GIF
files, ad after ad after ad of huge color pictures and embedded
JAVA/javascript USES BANDWIDTH. That's why WAP was invented. It uses no
bandwidth and has no ads to suck up the sellphone revenue.

The only mobile solution, so far until WiMax or something similar emerges,
is a tethered device, cable or bluetooth, to get the computer out of the
clutches of the sellphone company bean counters...or is that byte
counters?? Sellphone carriers have been very successful in thwarting this
end run around their control by removing any tethering firmware and any
Bluetooth interconnecting protocols, such as DUN, from the phone's
capabilities. Verizon seems the worst hobbler in the den. Most users
aren't savvy enough to hack the phones to restore functions, but for the
few who do we'll let the system keep a sharp eye out for "abusers" and
convince the dumbest amoung us that if they see an "abuser" using bandwidth
he's, somehow, going to trash their own service, a tactic that seems to
work very well.

$20 to $60 for email and webpages is very profitable. You can sell the
same bandwidth to a thousand people because they get really bored with the
webpages fast and TURN IT OFF, exactly what the carriers want.

They don't have a good browser for a REASON, not because they're not
capable of running it. Hell, I'm running Firefox 3 for Linux on the Nokia
N800, plugins and all!

On Jul 18, 12:46*am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> David G. Imber wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:36:47 +0000, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >> Any idea why they care so much?
>
> > * *I think you set yourself up for the reflexive answer "why do
> > you?"
>
> >> What a strange psychological phenomenon this little board of old
> >> electronics makes.....
>
> > * *You can say that again. Look, Apple users see the RIM device
> > as being deficient in ways that are important to them. BB users see
> > the iPhone as deficient in features that are important to them.
> > Windows Mobile users have features they champion that the other two
> > lack. Each thinks their platform offers the most best stuff. If
> > everyone's getting what they want there should be peace, right?
>
> > * *But each one wants their gang to dominate for a practical
> > reason, which is that if the whole world comes over to their side it's
> > bound to benefit their preferred technology.
>
> > * *There are definitely strong parallels to global politics and
> > religion. Hopefully no one's going to bomb anyone.
>
> Except that many of us can see the forest for the trees.
>
> I received an e-mail from my carrier today, telling me that it's time
> for my "new every two." I'd like a smart-phone with WiFi. That limits me
> two two choices from Verizon. Neither has a good browser like the
> iPhone, but actually what's more important to me is the ability to
> create, edit, and store Word and Excel documents. The iPhone can't do
> this, at least not yet. I tried going to the apps store to see if there
> were any programs to do this on the iPhone, but there are none (Mariner
> said they'd have one when the apps store launched, but no cigar).

I saw a digg that you can now do office docs on the iPhone last night.
Search DIGG for the latest.

Also there is a mobile client now for cloud computing with the iPhone,
I forget the name of it but there is a big Microsoft project and the
iPhone just got a mobile client for that yesterday

At 18 Jul 2008 14:18:46 +0000 Larry wrote:

> > I'd like a smart-phone with WiFi. That limits me
> > two two choices from Verizon. Neither has a good browser like the
> > iPhone, but actually what's more important to me is the ability to
> > create, edit, and store Word and Excel documents.
>
> None of the Sellphone carriers are going to be selling anything that does
> more than email, SMS and webpages they can control and RESELL.

Here we go again....


> If they let
> you have word processing, database access, big spreadsheets of important
> numbers, that will use BANDWIDTH, which Sellphone companies now oppose
> because they cannot sell it for a dollar a megabyte any more. So, they
> simply don't sell any device that uses serious bandwidth.

You do realize that a very good number of smartphones include the ability
to edit and create documents out of the box, right? The WinMo phones do,
as do most Palm-based phones.

Unrestricted access to POP/IMAP e-mail is also a function of smartphones.

> They put useless
> little browsers on the phones that won't really display a real webpage
> BECAUSE a real webpage, with all the spam Flash movies, giant moving GIF
> files, ad after ad after ad of huge color pictures and embedded
> JAVA/javascript USES BANDWIDTH. That's why WAP was invented. It uses no
> bandwidth and has no ads to suck up the sellphone revenue.

WAP was invented as a workable web solution when phones had 128x128 pixel
monochrome displays and connected to the web at 14.4kbps. Plenty of phones
have decent browsers, although most not up to iPhone qualit - IE Mobile on
WinMo, Blazer on Palm, Blackbetrry, Opera's Mini and Mobile, etc.


> The only mobile solution, so far until WiMax or something similar
emerges,
> is a tethered device, cable or bluetooth, to get the computer out of the
> clutches of the sellphone company bean counters...or is that byte
> counters??


How does that help? Most carrier restrictions are at the network level-
blocked ports, download limits, etc. Most carriers (Sprint, Verizon, AT&T)
also charge extra for tethering.


> Sellphone carriers have been very successful in thwarting this
> end run around their control by removing any tethering firmware and any
> Bluetooth interconnecting protocols, such as DUN, from the phone's
> capabilities.


No, SOME CARRIERS. Others do not remove capabilities, or at least do not
on high-end phones.

And, as you've been told dozens of times, GSM carriers don't restrict the
handsets you can use to their own branded handsets. You can buy uncrippled
handsets, never touched by the carrier's "enhancements" or sofware,
directly from manufacturers like Nokia, Motorola or HTC and use them on GSM
networks.

> Verizon seems the worst hobbler in the den. Most users
> aren't savvy enough to hack the phones to restore functions, but for the
> few who do we'll let the system keep a sharp eye out for "abusers" and
> convince the dumbest amoung us that if they see an "abuser" using
bandwidth
> he's, somehow, going to trash their own service, a tactic that seems to
> work very well.
>
> $20 to $60 for email and webpages is very profitable. You can sell the
> same bandwidth to a thousand people because they get really bored with
the
> webpages fast and TURN IT OFF, exactly what the carriers want.
>
> They don't have a good browser for a REASON, not because they're not
> capable of running it. Hell, I'm running Firefox 3 for Linux on the
Nokia
> N800, plugins and all!

Good for you. For the gazillionth time, look at the celular world beyond
your own carrier and it isn't as restrictive as you think.

My handset (an AT&T Tilt unlocked on T-Mobile) can edit documents, send
unlimited e-mai , has four different browsers on it including one that does
flash, and, beside "webpage spam and e-mail" handles NNTP (usenet,) video
and audio streaming, and runs both Skype and SIP VoIP- all on the device,
all without tethering. All on a handset sold by a big, bad, "sellular"
company.

But you know that, because you been corrected before. It just doesn't fit
your "sellphone conspiracy theory" so you ignore it.

SMS wrote:
> David G. Imber wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:36:47 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Any idea why they care so much?
>>
>> I think you set yourself up for the reflexive answer "why do
>> you?"
>>
>>> What a strange psychological phenomenon this little board of old
>>> electronics makes.....
>>
>> You can say that again. Look, Apple users see the RIM device
>> as being deficient in ways that are important to them. BB users see
>> the iPhone as deficient in features that are important to them.
>> Windows Mobile users have features they champion that the other two
>> lack. Each thinks their platform offers the most best stuff. If
>> everyone's getting what they want there should be peace, right?
>>
>> But each one wants their gang to dominate for a practical
>> reason, which is that if the whole world comes over to their side
>> it's bound to benefit their preferred technology.
>>
>> There are definitely strong parallels to global politics and
>> religion. Hopefully no one's going to bomb anyone.
>
> Except that many of us can see the forest for the trees.
>
> I received an e-mail from my carrier today, telling me that it's time
> for my "new every two." I'd like a smart-phone with WiFi. That limits
> me two two choices from Verizon. Neither has a good browser like the
> iPhone, but actually what's more important to me is the ability to
> create, edit, and store Word and Excel documents. The iPhone can't do
> this, at least not yet. I tried going to the apps store to see if
> there were any programs to do this on the iPhone, but there are none
> (Mariner said they'd have one when the apps store launched, but no
> cigar).
>
I don't know if this will edit Word/Excel docs either, but, if you're due
for a new every two, I'd suggest you hold out for this, due in November:
http://blackberrythunder.net/