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Old July 25th, 2008
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Default Face-to-face videoconferencing is the latest application to bedeveloped for the Apple iPhone

Apple iPhone gets video calling

Developers create videoconferencing app with mirrors
Face-to-face videoconferencing is the latest application to be
developed for the Apple iPhone .

Despite the iPhone not being designed for video calling, and the
significant drawback of the iPhone's camera being on the back, two
ingenious developers claim to have rigged up a mirror arrangement and
used some clever coding to bring face-to-face video calling to the
iPhone. The iPhone videoconferencing application, developed by Ken and
Greg Aspeslagh of Ecamm Network, uses Wi-Fi for the data connection,
rather than the mobile network.

The developers first had to jailbreak their iPhones (to get into the
OS), and then used the toolchain developed by the iPhone Dev Team to
help create the application. The app uses the iPhone's camera to shoot
video (although video isn't enabled regularly on the iPhone), and this
is compressed and sent to a server to be relayed back to another
iPhone. The mirror arrangement is an adaptation of an existing
periscope-style "Huckleberry mirror" sold for use with MacBooks.

The process for developing the iPhone videoconferencing app is
described by the developers at MacDaddyWorld.com.

Phil Lattimore, Tech.co.uk
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Old July 26th, 2008
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Default Face-to-face videoconferencing is the latest application to be developed for the Apple iPhone

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:b0c90dd4-4e4a-4e1d-9ac6-
8235931ee8c8@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> The process for developing the iPhone videoconferencing app is
> described by the developers at MacDaddyWorld.com.
>


http://youtube.com/watch?v=XE2fhlh3hJs

February 6, 2007.....old stuff....

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Old July 26th, 2008
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Default Real World Testing For Geeks - the Nokia N95 takes on the iPhone 3Gand AT&T Tilt (again)

On Jul 26, 2:15*am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:b0c90dd4-4e4a-4e1d-9ac6-
> 8235931ee...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > The process for developing the iPhone videoconferencing app is
> > described by the developers at MacDaddyWorld.com.

>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=XE2fhlh3hJs
>
> February 6, 2007.....old stuff....


www.allaboutsymbian.com

Real World Testing For Geeks -
the Nokia N95 takes on the iPhone 3G and AT&T Tilt (again) -
in the Geek Smackdown of the Week

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/featu...f_the_Week.php

Nokia N95 8GB: Yes. Score: 1,000,000 points.

Apple iPhone 3G: No. Score: 0 points.

AT&T Tilt: No. Score 0 points.

www.allaboutsymbian.com

Final Scores and Summary

In a close fought contest, both the AT&T Tilt and the Apple iPhone 3G
ended up with 84 points. Slightly ahead, on 1,000,084 points is the
Nokia N95 8GB. Each phone has areas where they are strong (the AT&T
Tilt can balance on more sides than any other phone I've seen) and if
they match up with what you want in a phone, then you should weight
those areas strongly. Perceptions can play a large part in deciding on
your device, the so-called 'Halo of Jobs' around anything from Apple
being a good example.

The bottom line is that no matter what you read on the Internet,
there's no such thing as a fair test. The second a reviewer picks up a
device they're going to draw assumptions and decide for themselves
which device they like. Sure we can step back and make them as
objective as possible, but as Steve proved earlier in the week (and as
sure as heck was proved in the deluge of comments that followed), you
can't satisfy all the people all the time. There will always be
something that people who prefer device A over device B will point to
and complain about. By all means read up about the latest phones,
software and hardware. Ultimately the decision is your own.

But the iPhone sure can carry a lot of biscuits.

-- Ewan Spence

www.allaboutsymbian.com
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Old July 26th, 2008
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Default Hey I found another Nokia N95 fan who prefers an iPhone onallaboutsymbian.com

On Jul 26, 5:09*am, 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 2:15*am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
> www.allaboutsymbian.com


I just spotted this interesting exchange on the symbian (Nokia's OS)
website...

22-07-2008, 05:59 PM
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Pretty fair, but....
OK, as comparisons go that was pretty fair. However, since I am one of
the lucky few that actually owns a iphone 3G and a Nokia N95 8GB, I
have a couple of notes here.

(I actually have a Samsung Blackjack and a HTC Kaiser too, but they
are just about retired for me. I hate the stylus need on the Kaiser,
and the Samsung just isn't as nice as the N95 or iphone)

First, on the Maps / GPS evaluation, you had a ipod Touch. I know
that, as you said at the beginning of the review, the software is the
same. However, the hardware is not. The iphone 3G DOES have built in
GPS, and it picks up signals FAST. In a side by side comparison here
in Los Angeles, the iphone picked up my exact position and was ready
to start tracking my walking a full 60 seconds before the N95 was. And
it is very accurate as well. Even though there is no pedestrian mode,
it followed me down every street with surprising accuracy.

Next, I tested out the downloading of high res images off the internet
that you described. I chose a full 5MP image that I have posted on my
personal web page. It saved fine to the photo library, and opened up
no problem on screen. Let me rotate it, zoom in and out, etc. I did
not experience any of the glitches you mention at all. Not sure if
that's a ipod touch issue or not.

Although all 3 Apple devices run the 2.0 software, there are different
builds for each device. For example, the iphone 3G runs build # 5A345.
My old iphone that was updated to 2.0 software runs build # 5A347. I
don't have a ipod touch, so I'm not sure which build it runs. So that
picture issue doesn't seem to hold true on the iphone 3G at least.

Also, I agree about your Safari comments, but you have to take some of
that with a grain of salt. The whole point of Safari is to take you to
the REAL internet pages, not a mobile version. So of course, there
will be some sites that are easier to navigate with a stripped down
mobile version, but do you want that for every site?

I would prefer the full desktop web pages all the time. That's why
some sites do develop web apps when deemed necessary, or they deveop a
full native app as you showed. In my experience, the iphone web apps
and full native apps are optimized far beyond what a typical mobile
web site does anyway, and are faster to use.

So I prefer having the full desktop websites by default, and the
option to use native or web apps for the few things that I do often
that need detailed navigation through a site. (Like book flights, etc)

With those three things accounted for, the Nokia N95 is still ahead by
a little though. It is a great device, and I love it.

For me there are two determining factors in your review that would
dictate which device would be best for a user. ..

One is video. If you need it, obviously you want the N95. Period. I
don't shoot video at all on my N95, so this is not a consideration at
all for me. Since this one category was a difference of 19 points
alone in your review, if a user doesn't care about video, the two
devices score virtually the exact same number. (coupled with the above
points I made on GPS, Safari, and photos)

Second is the keyboard. I type a ton of emails on my phone while I
travel, and the lack of a keyboard on the N95 means it stays in my bag
more often, and I reach for the iphone to do my emails. This is the
big one for me.

If you only read emails on your phone, or only type short responses,
then this is not a consideration and the N95 is your baby. But if like
me you type a lot, you probably require a qwerty, and lugging around a
bluetooth keyboard is an option for some, but I don't like having
extra stuff when I travel. I like to travel lite.

I use both devices because both are a pleasure to use. Clearly the
best two mobile devices on the market today. But for day to day uses,
I find myself reaching for the iphone more often than anything else.
We'll see if that changes when the S60 touch interface comes out, and
we see how the keyboard data entry works. If it's even close to the
iphone, that will probably become the new device for me.

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Default Real World Testing For Geeks - the Nokia N95 takes on the iPhone 3G and AT&T Tilt (again)

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:69dd44d4-f108-41fd-9daa-
f36b32792a23@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> But the iPhone sure can carry a lot of biscuits.
>
>


Thanks....(c;

Symbian will dominate because Nokia dominates....by a wide margin that
nearly has put Motorola out of business, not just in sellphones, either.

Now that Nokia Labs has full access to everything Symbian without all those
lawyers breathing down their necks, expect lots of new Symbian
apps/features to develop more quickly, now that licensing is no issue.

As iPhone is another ARM processor device, like my N800, wouldn't it be a
hoot if the Linux geniuses took a shine to it, now that it has better
bandwidth and GPS, and modified Maemo Linux for it with a virtual machine
to emulate the phone/Apple stuff so it would actually function on ATT/T-
mobile by spoofing what they're looking for. You'd still have a phone
bill, access to iTunes, etc., but the phone wouldn't have to be jailbroken
with a hacked Apple OS as it wouldn't be running one...instead running an
open source Linux with hundreds of freeware apps. iTunes would think you
had an iPhone as it interrogated the virtual machine with the same data
burned into your original ROMs, stolen when the Linux installer reloaded
the OS.

With all these iPhones around, what a helluva neat thing that would be, a
Maemo Linux iPhone.....YOU controlled, not "them"...(c;

.....even Bluetooth would have all the protocols!



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Default Hey I found another Nokia N95 fan who prefers an iPhone on allaboutsymbian.com

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:55bc601d-da39-44ce-a7ff-
4e635c571a29@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> In a side by side comparison here
> in Los Angeles, the iphone picked up my exact position and was ready
> to start tracking my walking a full 60 seconds before the N95 was. And
> it is very accurate as well. Even though there is no pedestrian mode,
> it followed me down every street with surprising accuracy.
>


The N95 is slower for a reason. It has a WAAS-compensated GPS, not just a
GPS, in it. WAAS is satellite compensation to make it within 3 ft of your
position, a more accurate fix, just like all the bigtime GPS receivers that
are not registered with the military (those are within millimeters of
perfect, good enough for surveying!)

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Default Hey I found another Nokia N95 fan who prefers an iPhone on allaboutsymbian.com

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:55bc601d-da39-44ce-a7ff-
4e635c571a29@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> Second is the keyboard. I type a ton of emails on my phone while I
> travel, and the lack of a keyboard on the N95 means it stays in my bag
> more often, and I reach for the iphone to do my emails. This is the
> big one for me.
>


Now I'm curious. How do you type a paragraph and backread to keep a train
of thought on an Iphone keyboard that only shows you a few words of what
you've typed while you're typing? I hate the fingerboard on the N800
because I can't read what I've typed a minute ago while I'm typing. If I'm
emailing, or typing this message to remote desktop from the diner, where I
am now, lugging that keyboard around is a PLEASURE. The Nokia BT keyboard
also makes word processing possible that's simply rediculous on ANY
touchscreen, yours or mine.

I typed this reply in about a minute....not fingering it on the touchscreen
with either fingers which really suck or stylus which only sucks because
you can STILL see what you typed with the little stylus keyboard.

BTW, I've expanded my travel kit to a Samsonite mini camera bag with
shoulder strap made for a digital camera. It has pockets for my SDHC
memory cards, BT headphone transmitter, USB/SD card adapter so I can easily
download/upload at remote locations to other computers, and the flap
covering the small pockets firmly clamps closed around the headband of my
Motorola S9 BT headset to carry the stereo in one neat package. The big
pocket is perfect for both the tablet and keyboard separated by a little
padded partition that's moveable so nothing gets scratched up and the
screen is fully protected. The keyboard even supports the tablet so it
cannot be bent if I drop or bump it hard. The whole case is thinly foam
padded....

I still have the "traveling light" case if I just want to take the
tablet...

The camera bag was $8 at the camera dept of WalMart...(c;
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