IBM now coming to the iPhone with iNotes

eatfastnoodle <d12s34f56@gmail.com> wrote in news:013066ea-067f-4697-a0f2-
cbffa466cadc@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:

> I work on high performance computing. While I agree their stuff that
> often built with hardware as a bundle is good. Their record with stuff
> that people use in day to day bases is ugly.
>
>

I have a friend who is a field service engineer with EMC. While snooping
through his van at all the neat, but amazingly expensive, hardware for
their Symmetrix massive storage boxes, he handed me a rather normal-looking
IBM standard sized PC hard drive mounted in an EMC hot-swap frame.

"Ok, what so special about this one?"

"It turns 100,000 RPM and is the fastest hard drive available.", he said
offhandedly. As he had 6 of them in the van, I tried to sneak away with
the one in my hand but didn't get halfway across the parking lot before he
caught up to me....(c;

Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM drive reads and writes sectors next time
you're staring at your PC or Mac's drive lite waiting to get control back
from the disk wait state....compared to your cheap 7200 RPM slow boat to
China.

The drive was only 80GB.....but no waiting!

Very cool indeed, especially when two of them mirror the data on that
massive EMC memory card between them that is solidly packed with SIP memory
so fast the fastest NT system is so slow they have to put wait states in
the Symmetrix to keep from overrunning it...(c;

There's a pretty good chance this message was stored on a Symmetrix
refridgerator-sized storage box between us....

Wouldn't it be cool to have a hard drive box as fast as your supercomputer
CPU?

Larry wrote:

> I have a friend who is a field service engineer with EMC. While snooping
> through his van at all the neat, but amazingly expensive, hardware for
> their Symmetrix massive storage boxes, he handed me a rather normal-looking
> IBM standard sized PC hard drive mounted in an EMC hot-swap frame.
>
> "Ok, what so special about this one?"
>
> "It turns 100,000 RPM and is the fastest hard drive available.", he said
> offhandedly. As he had 6 of them in the van, I tried to sneak away with
> the one in my hand but didn't get halfway across the parking lot before he
> caught up to me....(c;
>
> Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM drive reads and writes sectors next time
> you're staring at your PC or Mac's drive lite waiting to get control back
> from the disk wait state....compared to your cheap 7200 RPM slow boat to
> China.


I don't know of any 100,000 RPM drives. From *any* vendor. And I
work with EMC Symmetrix's daily. The fastest drives they are pushing
now are the solid state drives. For non-solid state drives the
fastest are the 15k FC drives.

> The drive was only 80GB.....but no waiting!
>
> Very cool indeed, especially when two of them mirror the data on that
> massive EMC memory card between them that is solidly packed with SIP memory
> so fast the fastest NT system is so slow they have to put wait states in
> the Symmetrix to keep from overrunning it...(c;

I don't buy that either. Data in RAM in a computer/server would
always move faster than any data that could come off of the Symmetrix.

> There's a pretty good chance this message was stored on a Symmetrix
> refridgerator-sized storage box between us....
>
> Wouldn't it be cool to have a hard drive box as fast as your supercomputer
> CPU?

Steve

In article <Xns9AF55DC63374noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> "It turns 100,000 RPM and is the fastest hard drive available.", he said
> offhandedly. As he had 6 of them in the van, I tried to sneak away with
> the one in my hand but didn't get halfway across the parking lot before he
> caught up to me....(c;
>
> Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM drive reads and writes sectors next time
> you're staring at your PC or Mac's drive lite waiting to get control back
> from the disk wait state....compared to your cheap 7200 RPM slow boat to
> China.

Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM hard drive would fragment and cut you in
half.

Someone check my math here...
100,000 RPM = 1667 RPs = .0006 s/r
3.5" width ~ 3" platter = 76 mm diameter = .076 m diameter
Divide by 2 for a .038 m radius
Mix in some Pi for a .24 m circumference
..24 m / .0006 s = 400 m/s speed at the edge
a = v^2 / r
so
(400 m/s) ^ 2 / .04 m = 4,000,000 m^2/s
Divide by 10 m/s^2 (close enough to the acceleration of gravity for this)
and we get 400,000 G. That stretches credulity and any material I know
of. What's it made of?

For comparison, a 7200 RPM drive generates a force of ~2200 G at the
outer edge of the platters. Maybe he meant 10,000 RPM? That only
generates ~4300 G at the edge.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
People who can't spell get kicked out of Hogwarts.

Timberwoof wrote:
> In article <Xns9AF55DC63374noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> "It turns 100,000 RPM and is the fastest hard drive available.", he said
>> offhandedly. As he had 6 of them in the van, I tried to sneak away with
>> the one in my hand but didn't get halfway across the parking lot before he
>> caught up to me....(c;
>>
>> Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM drive reads and writes sectors next time
>> you're staring at your PC or Mac's drive lite waiting to get control back
>> from the disk wait state....compared to your cheap 7200 RPM slow boat to
>> China.
>
> Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM hard drive would fragment and cut you in
> half.
>
> Someone check my math here...
> 100,000 RPM = 1667 RPs = .0006 s/r
> 3.5" width ~ 3" platter = 76 mm diameter = .076 m diameter
> Divide by 2 for a .038 m radius
> Mix in some Pi for a .24 m circumference
> .24 m / .0006 s = 400 m/s speed at the edge
> a = v^2 / r
> so
> (400 m/s) ^ 2 / .04 m = 4,000,000 m^2/s
> Divide by 10 m/s^2 (close enough to the acceleration of gravity for this)
> and we get 400,000 G. That stretches credulity and any material I know
> of. What's it made of?
>
> For comparison, a 7200 RPM drive generates a force of ~2200 G at the
> outer edge of the platters. Maybe he meant 10,000 RPM? That only
> generates ~4300 G at the edge.

I think it was all B.S. I don't even think EMC uses IBM drives (IBM
is a big storage competitor of theirs).

Steve

In message <lh2q94t952s11krcn2lht6r4sqnuhj83os@gordol.org> Jeffrey
Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote:

>Did I mention that I hate Lotus Notes?

Tell us how you really feel.

On Aug 9, 2:26*am, Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> Timberwoof wrote:
> > In article <Xns9AF55DC63374noonehome...@208.49.80.253>,
> > *Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >> "It turns 100,000 RPM and is the fastest hard drive available.", he said
> >> offhandedly. *As he had 6 of them in the van, I tried to sneak away with
> >> the one in my hand but didn't get halfway across the parking lot before he
> >> caught up to me....(c;
>
> >> Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM drive reads and writes sectors next time
> >> you're staring at your PC or Mac's drive lite waiting to get control back
> >> from the disk wait state....compared to your cheap 7200 RPM slow boat to
> >> China.
>
> > Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM hard drive would fragment and cut you in
> > half.
>
> > Someone check my math here...
> > 100,000 RPM = 1667 RPs = .0006 s/r
> > 3.5" width ~ 3" platter = 76 mm diameter = .076 m diameter
> > Divide by 2 for a .038 m radius
> > Mix in some Pi for a .24 m circumference
> > .24 m / .0006 s = 400 m/s speed at the edge
> > a = v^2 / r
> > so
> > (400 m/s) ^ 2 / .04 m *= 4,000,000 m^2/s
> > Divide by 10 m/s^2 (close enough to the acceleration of gravity for this)
> > and we get 400,000 G. That stretches credulity and any material I know
> > of. What's it made of?
>
> > For comparison, a 7200 RPM drive generates a force of ~2200 G at the
> > outer edge of the platters. Maybe he meant 10,000 RPM? That only
> > generates ~4300 G at the edge.
>
> I think it was all B.S. * I don't even think EMC uses IBM drives (IBM
> is a big storage competitor of theirs).
>
> Steve

I think IBM has sold their storage business long time ago. Right now,
their hardware business comprises mainly of chips and mainframes.

Why do you and so many others when talking about iPhones include
alt.cellular.nokia in your distribution? Nokia is unrelated to IPhone
and your msgs clutter up the newsgroup.
Miles

* David Moyer wrote, On 8/8/2008 01:50:
> Lotus Notes is coming to the iPhone which is no big surprise considering
> how popular it has become in the enterprise. Below is some of the
> article and links to iNotes screenshots.
>
> ---
>
> IBM has unveiled a sneak peek of its new Lotus iNotes, a web app client
> for its Lotus Domino messaging server to bring email, calendar, and
> contacts to iPhone. The move fulfills rumors of customized iPhone
> support for Lotus Notes and demonstrates IBM's evolving interest in
> Apple within the enterprise.
>
> Planned for delivery later this year, Lotus iNotes is built upon IBM's
> existing Lotus Domino Web Access infrastructure. The company's web site
> invites users to "bring the enterprise to your Apple iPhone" and says
> the software will deliver a "rich Apple iPhone user experience."
>
> IBM betting on Apple
>
> Support for the iPhone in Lotus Notes is only IBM's latest step in
> investing in Apple's platforms as a competitive alternative to
> Microsoft's Windows. An AP report from January cited IBM spokesman Mike
> Azzi as noting that his company has "a lot in common" with Apple. "We're
> going to cross-pollinate," he said.
>
> Earlier this year in May, IBM released its Informix Data Server 11 for
> Mac OS X Server. And over the course of the last year, multiple groups
> within the company have launched pilot programs aimed at evaluating
> support for migrating to Apple's Mac computers within the company.
>
> An initial study at IBM Research, which started in October of 2007,
> found that 86% of those participating wanted to keep their MacBook Pro
> laptops over returning back to IBM ThinkPads running Windows. ³It has
> been easier learning the Mac than learning Vista,² one participant
> reported. IBM has since expanded its Mac pilot program.
>
> Full Article and nice screenshots here:
>
> http://snipurl.com/3css0 [www_appleinsider_com]

Why do you and so many others when talking about iPhones include
alt.cellular.nokia in your distribution? Nokia is unrelated to IPhone
and your msgs clutter up the newsgroup.
Miles

* David Moyer wrote, On 8/8/2008 01:50:
> Lotus Notes is coming to the iPhone which is no big surprise considering
> how popular it has become in the enterprise. Below is some of the
> article and links to iNotes screenshots.
>
> ---
>
> IBM has unveiled a sneak peek of its new Lotus iNotes, a web app client
> for its Lotus Domino messaging server to bring email, calendar, and
> contacts to iPhone. The move fulfills rumors of customized iPhone
> support for Lotus Notes and demonstrates IBM's evolving interest in
> Apple within the enterprise.
>
> Planned for delivery later this year, Lotus iNotes is built upon IBM's
> existing Lotus Domino Web Access infrastructure. The company's web site
> invites users to "bring the enterprise to your Apple iPhone" and says
> the software will deliver a "rich Apple iPhone user experience."
>
> IBM betting on Apple
>
> Support for the iPhone in Lotus Notes is only IBM's latest step in
> investing in Apple's platforms as a competitive alternative to
> Microsoft's Windows. An AP report from January cited IBM spokesman Mike
> Azzi as noting that his company has "a lot in common" with Apple. "We're
> going to cross-pollinate," he said.
>
> Earlier this year in May, IBM released its Informix Data Server 11 for
> Mac OS X Server. And over the course of the last year, multiple groups
> within the company have launched pilot programs aimed at evaluating
> support for migrating to Apple's Mac computers within the company.
>
> An initial study at IBM Research, which started in October of 2007,
> found that 86% of those participating wanted to keep their MacBook Pro
> laptops over returning back to IBM ThinkPads running Windows. ³It has
> been easier learning the Mac than learning Vista,² one participant
> reported. IBM has since expanded its Mac pilot program.
>
> Full Article and nice screenshots here:
>
> http://snipurl.com/3css0 [www_appleinsider_com]

eatfastnoodle wrote:
> On Aug 9, 2:26 am, Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>> Timberwoof wrote:
>>> In article <Xns9AF55DC63374noonehome...@208.49.80.253>,
>>> Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>>>> "It turns 100,000 RPM and is the fastest hard drive available.", he said
>>>> offhandedly. As he had 6 of them in the van, I tried to sneak away with
>>>> the one in my hand but didn't get halfway across the parking lot before he
>>>> caught up to me....(c;
>>>> Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM drive reads and writes sectors next time
>>>> you're staring at your PC or Mac's drive lite waiting to get control back
>>>> from the disk wait state....compared to your cheap 7200 RPM slow boat to
>>>> China.
>>> Imagine how fast a 100,000 RPM hard drive would fragment and cut you in
>>> half.
>>> Someone check my math here...
>>> 100,000 RPM = 1667 RPs = .0006 s/r
>>> 3.5" width ~ 3" platter = 76 mm diameter = .076 m diameter
>>> Divide by 2 for a .038 m radius
>>> Mix in some Pi for a .24 m circumference
>>> .24 m / .0006 s = 400 m/s speed at the edge
>>> a = v^2 / r
>>> so
>>> (400 m/s) ^ 2 / .04 m = 4,000,000 m^2/s
>>> Divide by 10 m/s^2 (close enough to the acceleration of gravity for this)
>>> and we get 400,000 G. That stretches credulity and any material I know
>>> of. What's it made of?
>>> For comparison, a 7200 RPM drive generates a force of ~2200 G at the
>>> outer edge of the platters. Maybe he meant 10,000 RPM? That only
>>> generates ~4300 G at the edge.
>> I think it was all B.S. I don't even think EMC uses IBM drives (IBM
>> is a big storage competitor of theirs).
>>
>> Steve
>
> I think IBM has sold their storage business long time ago. Right now,
> their hardware business comprises mainly of chips and mainframes.

Nope. Their storage business is going strong. IBM ESS "Shark", DS8000,
etc.

Steve