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Old August 30th, 2008
Ron
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It's a scandal that cell phones are sold for a 2 year contract, but
only carry a 1 year warranty, and commonly batteries WILL NOT LAST 2
YEARS.

So at 15 months age I discover my batteries lasting barely loWYou
about to head out?
nger than 1 day, but when new they lasted 4 days.

For a Sony/Ericsson w300i, the ATT website says a replacement Lithium
battery is $59.99 but they are out of stock.

At Amazon.com they are $4.17 and in stock.
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Old August 30th, 2008
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Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> wrote in
news:hafib49p0e0pohpor3bo7gkejtrd3g0bo4@4ax.com:

> It's a scandal that cell phones are sold for a 2 year contract, but
> only carry a 1 year warranty, and commonly batteries WILL NOT LAST 2
> YEARS.
>
> So at 15 months age I discover my batteries lasting barely loWYou
> about to head out?
> nger than 1 day, but when new they lasted 4 days.
>
>


YOU are the one killing your Lithium-Ion or Lithium-Polymer batteries by
not understanding how to maintain them properly......

Sellphone bois just love to show their dicks by bragging how long their
sellphone will run between charges....a week, a month, etc. This penis
envy is what kills the Li-xx batteries very prematurely.

Unlike Ni-Cd or Ni-Mh rechargeables that SHOULD be fully discharged at
some interval and stored in a discharged state, Li-XX batteries are more
like your lead acid car battery. Deep discharging them without really
good reason except vanity consumes them in short order.

Inside each Li-xx battery is a custom IC that controls the battery's
charge and discharge cycle. You don't ever see, I hope, your sellphone
go "dim" from a dead battery, because the IC in the battery is set to
prevent you discharging it past about 50% of its capacity, half
discharged. This is the only way to prevent permanent damage, which
deep cycling a Li-xx battery does, irreparably.

If you'd like to get 4, 5, even 7 or 8 years out of one battery, the
solution is very simple....never deep discharge it. Plug it in at every
opportunity and recharge it until the IC cuts off the charge, even
though you've only used it a couple of hours and it shows full scale on
the meter. The chemistry just loves to be float charged, just like lead
acid does, but for a different reason.

I have an old 120GB MP3 player that's going on 6 years old. It's a
Digital Mind Xclef 500 and, though simple, is still my favorite because
of its sheer monsterous memory that can store days of music without
playing the same song over. Even today, 120GB is pretty large. It has
no DRM or nanny games you boys know I hate. Plugged into any PC,
Windoze treats it as just another external hard disk drive and will load
it accordingly. It also records MP3, has an FM radio that actually
works great, and is just plain simple to use with its side-mounted
multifunction jog lever you can use driving without looking away from
the road.

The battery in it is a Korean Li-Ion hard wired into it like an iPhone.
It has never been replaced and will still run it all day and have 60%
charge left when I plug it back in for tomorrow. Its real leather case
has worn the paint off the aluminum case, I think improving its looks.
It's a large, heavy beast that uses standard laptop drives even a
standard battery, if I ever need one. Feed it +5VDC from any charger
and plug it into your stereo and you're ready for music!....

http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/...0/4505-6490_7-
31212346.html

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Old August 30th, 2008
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In article <hafib49p0e0pohpor3bo7gkejtrd3g0bo4@4ax.com>,
Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a scandal that cell phones are sold for a 2 year contract, but
>only carry a 1 year warranty, and commonly batteries WILL NOT LAST 2
>YEARS.


Properly manufactured and cared for, a good quality LiIon cell will retain
most of its capacity for about 3 years from date of ****MANUFACTURE***.

If your phone was shipped with an old battery, or you do things that ruin
LiIon cells like deep discharge, this could impact on the battery life.

> So at 15 months age I discover my batteries lasting barely longer than
> 1 day, but when new they lasted 4 days.
>
>For a Sony/Ericsson w300i, the ATT website says a replacement Lithium
>battery is $59.99 but they are out of stock.


Factory fresh, genuine item no doubt.

>At Amazon.com they are $4.17 and in stock.


Probably couterfeit and of unknown age.
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:15:54 +0000 (UTC), retsuhcs@xinap.moc (Mike S.)
wrote:

>
>In article <hafib49p0e0pohpor3bo7gkejtrd3g0bo4@4ax.com>,
>Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It's a scandal that cell phones are sold for a 2 year contract, but
>>only carry a 1 year warranty, and commonly batteries WILL NOT LAST 2
>>YEARS.

>
>Properly manufactured and cared for, a good quality LiIon cell will retain
>most of its capacity for about 3 years from date of ****MANUFACTURE***.


URL for that??

>
>If your phone was shipped with an old battery, or you do things that ruin
>LiIon cells like deep discharge, this could impact on the battery life.


Fine, but thats not the case.

>
>> So at 15 months age I discover my batteries lasting barely longer than
>> 1 day, but when new they lasted 4 days.
>>
>>For a Sony/Ericsson w300i, the ATT website says a replacement Lithium
>>battery is $59.99 but they are out of stock.

>
>Factory fresh, genuine item no doubt.


Sarcasm unappreciated.

BTW AT&T sells third party car chargers, which in theory void the
warranty. I bought a genuine one with the cash bonus I got for getting
a Sony credit card.

>
>>At Amazon.com they are $4.17 and in stock.

>
>Probably couterfeit and of unknown age.



Fud based upon nothing. I've had better luck with the "no-name"
batteries than with the OEM ones; thank
you very little. I baby my battery according to SonyEricsson
instructions.

And even if I wanted a "genuine" battery, they are unavailable on the
AT&T site, and not even listed on the sonyericsson web site.

And I never saw a battery with a Date of Manufacture stamped on it.
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In article <eopjb41njrplkfmqk0vgt4n1m5kku18aoq@4ax.com>,
Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:15:54 +0000 (UTC), retsuhcs@xinap.moc (Mike S.)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>In article <hafib49p0e0pohpor3bo7gkejtrd3g0bo4@4ax.com>,
>>Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a scandal that cell phones are sold for a 2 year contract, but
>>>only carry a 1 year warranty, and commonly batteries WILL NOT LAST 2
>>>YEARS.

>>
>>Properly manufactured and cared for, a good quality LiIon cell will retain
>>most of its capacity for about 3 years from date of ****MANUFACTURE***.

>
>URL for that??


http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm

Anyone who reads the newsgroups they post to would have seen this type of
talk again and again. Li-Ion cells degrade constantly due to rising
internal resistance through oxidation. They die eventually, regardless of
how/whether you actually use them.

>>If your phone was shipped with an old battery, or you do things that ruin
>>LiIon cells like deep discharge, this could impact on the battery life.

>
>Fine, but thats not the case.


Just below you say that you don't have date information on your cells.
Here you say it's "not the care" that they are old.
Which is it?

>>> So at 15 months age I discover my batteries lasting barely longer than
>>> 1 day, but when new they lasted 4 days.
>>>
>>>For a Sony/Ericsson w300i, the ATT website says a replacement Lithium
>>>battery is $59.99 but they are out of stock.

>>
>>Factory fresh, genuine item no doubt.

>
>Sarcasm unappreciated.
>
>BTW AT&T sells third party car chargers, which in theory void the
>warranty. I bought a genuine one with the cash bonus I got for getting
>a Sony credit card.
>
>>
>>>At Amazon.com they are $4.17 and in stock.

>>
>>Probably couterfeit and of unknown age.

>
>Fud based upon nothing.


Based on buying verifiable batteries (Nokia) from Amazon, proven upon
reciept to be fakes based on manufacturer web site criteria for
identifying fakes.

>I've had better luck with the "no-name"
>batteries than with the OEM ones; thank
>you very little.


You're welcome even less. Buying no-name brands is hit or miss. At worst
they can explode; in most cases they'll work to more or less success than
frehm OEM.

>I baby my battery according to SonyEricsson
>instructions.


Well, at least something in your rant makes sense.

>And even if I wanted a "genuine" battery, they are unavailable on the
>AT&T site, and not even listed on the sonyericsson web site.
>
>And I never saw a battery with a Date of Manufacture stamped on it.


Most of the time it's there; you simply don't know how to interpret it.
They make is difficult for obvious reasons. How, then, are you so sure
(above) that your battery isn't >3 years old?

Your rants make it clear that you're here to vent, not to solicit
knowledge or assistance from folks here. This, therefore, is my last
response.

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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:51:49 +0000 (UTC), retsuhcs@xinap.moc (Mike S.)
wrote:

>
>Your rants make it clear that you're here to vent, not to solicit
>knowledge or assistance from folks here. This, therefore, is my last
>response.



I'm sorry, posts here are not an authoritative source.

You are therefore the one ranting
if you can't or won't post a URL from a authoritative source to
support your exagerated claims of battery life.

If batteries were half as good as you claim, they would be
warranted fror 2 years, now, wouldn't they ?

What I do know is charging up these W300i batteries (both mine and my
wife's) in the evening, in 12 hours overnight, with zero use; battery
life goes from 100% to 80% . And thats with continuous network
connection, and Bluetooth off. When the battery was new it would lose
5% charge.

So for $4.17 each I've ordered new batteries from Amazon.
AT&T is out of stock of their $59.99 batteries, and SonyEricisson
doesnt offer them on it's web site. And again, I do know that AT&T
sells 3rd party Car chargers, so I have no way of knowing how
"genuine" their batteries would be if I could or wanted to obtain
them. The factory supplied batteries in our phoines are "Made in
China", and show no date of manufacture.
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Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:vd6lb4h9rrbs8grf2asdsp3a6ootb9giph@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:51:49 +0000 (UTC), retsuhcs@xinap.moc (Mike S.)
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Your rants make it clear that you're here to vent, not to solicit
>>knowledge or assistance from folks here. This, therefore, is my last
>>response.

>
>
> I'm sorry, posts here are not an authoritative source.
>



Especially yours, little stupid troll.
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:14:30 -0500, The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:

>Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
>news:vd6lb4h9rrbs8grf2asdsp3a6ootb9giph@4ax.com :
>
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:51:49 +0000 (UTC), retsuhcs@xinap.moc (Mike S.)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Your rants make it clear that you're here to vent, not to solicit
>>>knowledge or assistance from folks here. This, therefore, is my last
>>>response.

>>
>>
>> I'm sorry, posts here are not an authoritative source.
>>

>
>
>Especially yours, little stupid troll.



I always know when I am 100% correct.

I get a childish insult from a very anonymous sock-puppet, who
has zero to offer to refute what I have to say, but does snip my
story.

To remind:

It's a scandal that cell phones are sold for a 2 year contract, but
only carry a 1 year warranty, and commonly batteries WILL NOT LAST 2
YEARS.

So at 15 months age I discover my batteries lasting barely longer
than 1 day, but when new they lasted 4 days.

For a Sony/Ericsson w300i, the ATT website says a replacement Lithium
battery is $59.99 but they are out of stock; and the SonyEricsson web
site has none for sale.

At Amazon.com they are $4.17 and in stock.

No battery I have seen has a Date of Manufacture on it, but if
batteries were half as good
as some apologist (with no evidence) would have you believe,
you'd expect longer than a 1 year warranty.
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Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:l7clb4hahika44rhu0bl5r4ecdg6tmp8fa@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:14:30 -0500, The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
>
>>Ron <ronclifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
>>news:vd6lb4h9rrbs8grf2asdsp3a6ootb9giph@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:51:49 +0000 (UTC), retsuhcs@xinap.moc (Mike
>>> S.) wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your rants make it clear that you're here to vent, not to solicit
>>>>knowledge or assistance from folks here. This, therefore, is my last
>>>>response.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, posts here are not an authoritative source.
>>>

>>
>>
>>Especially yours, little stupid troll.

>
>
> I always know when I am 100% correct.



Which would be never, given the archives.


>
> I get a childish insult from a very anonymous sock-puppet,



How is it any more anonymous than "Ron", trollboy?

Stones- glass houses, moron.


> who
> has zero to offer to refute what I have to say,



Here you go- what you say is crap and totally inaccurate.

Feel better now?



> but does snip my
> story.


You mean like this?

<snip>

No need to leave the garbage in the post.

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The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in news:Xns9B0B87EBEEBBAbob@216.196.97.136:

>>
>> I get a childish insult from a very anonymous sock-puppet,

>
>
> How is it any more anonymous than "Ron", trollboy?
>
> Stones- glass houses, moron.
>
>


Boys, BOYS! Now quit throwing those Tonka trucks around the sandbox and be
nice to each other or I'm gonna hafta send you in to see the Principal!

Now, nice big hugs and then we'll go in for a snack!

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