iPhone software update 2.1 this weekend (iTunes 8 today)

Larry <noone@home.com> writes:

> Let's hold the childish name calling for a second and let me ask you for an
> honest answer.....

Good idea...

> Don't you guys ever feel rather cheated while browsing things you cannot
> see or trying to play some common file it just won't play after spending
> all this money?

Well, not being able to see Flash ads or such isn't that bad, really.
And if Flash would work only bad (since you haven't got enough CPU-power
or browsing would eat to much battery then or the screen resolution is
not enough on the small screen) it would be worse than not having Flash
at all.

> Don't you get angry you cannot copy the text out of an email and paste it
> into another email to someone else or a URL?

Yes, this sucks, no question. But this surely isn't something that
defines if you're happy with the thing or not. You don't use it for all
your browsing or mailing or writing. It covers a certain base amount of
all that and *this* it does in a straight, simple and convenient way.

> I'd be really pissed, myself. It angers me we have no JAVA runtime on the
> N800 Linux tablets. NOAA uses JAVA a lot and I can't browse there. The
> rest is pretty much covered. I can't imagine being without Flash and
> javascript in any browser, today.

Hey, that thing is a *phone* (or an iPod in the case of the Touch). It's
not the one and only computer that has to do everything. Of course it
would be nice to have smooth Flash and full Javascript support, but
within the memory and CPU-power and energy constraints of such a small
device I don't see that coming too soon.

As you say, even the N800 has no Java and this tablet is a quite
unwieldy thing to have in your pocket or to use one-handed while
standing in the subway. That a quite small phone or iPod which can be
held and used with one hand can't do everything a larger tablet or
notebook can do shouldn't be surprising, I think. Of course you could
make it to do more than it does and some of that in a slow, complicated,
incomplete or hard-to-use way, but obviously there are enough people who
like to have a gadget that does the things it does in a nice and
well-rounded way and is easy to use. Apple seems to service that market
quite well. If you don't like it, buy another device.


Jochem

--
"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9B158ACDDD288noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in
> news:100920081814061595%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com:
>
>>> >> Software 2.1 is due this weekend (September 14/15) for iPod Touch
>>> >> and iPhone with a raft of bug fixes for such things as dropped
>>> >> calls, short battery life, slow backups, app crashes, cut and
>>> >> paste, voice dialing, multitasking, A2DP stereo, BT tethering, 3rd
>>> >> party software, external keyboard and mouse, Flash, Javascript,
>>> >> Firefox 3 mobile, codec support for
>>> >> OGG/FLAC/DivX/mpg/wmv/wma/flv/wav/realvideo/realaudio/ and a
>>> >> memory card reader that plugs into the docking port with USB
>>> >> support
>>> >>
>>> >> iTunes 8.0 should be ready to go for this afternoon sometime. Just
>>> >> check for updates when you open up the application.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Hell, if we're gonna dream.....Let's DREAM!
>>> >
>>>
>>> Larr is dreaming for a n800 newsgroup :)
>>
>> Please do not encourage the moron. Just ignore it and hopefully it
>> will go away.
>>
>
> Let's hold the childish name calling for a second and let me ask you for
> an
> honest answer.....
>
> Don't you guys ever feel rather cheated while browsing things you cannot
> see or trying to play some common file it just won't play after spending
> all this money?
>
> Don't you get angry you cannot copy the text out of an email and paste it
> into another email to someone else or a URL?
>
> I'd be really pissed, myself. It angers me we have no JAVA runtime on the
> N800 Linux tablets. NOAA uses JAVA a lot and I can't browse there. The
> rest is pretty much covered. I can't imagine being without Flash and
> javascript in any browser, today.
>
My daugher-in-law insists on sending me multimedia pictures to an iphone I
have. Of course you get a message to go to viewmypicures.com (ATT site)and
have to type in a horrible alphanumeric message id and password which is
embedded in the message. So I have to go get a pen and paper and write them
down then re-enter them to see the picture or use another computer and get
the id off the iphone. If it was anything but pictures of my grandaughter I
would delete the darn thing and not bother.

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Let's hold the childish name calling for a second and let me ask you for an
> honest answer.....
>
> Don't you guys ever feel rather cheated while browsing things you cannot
> see or trying to play some common file it just won't play after spending
> all this money?

there is a difference between a common file and a "standard" file. you
are wanting to play non-standard files which with Apple is not the
correct direction for the best customer satisfaction.

learn the difference. apple is all about OPEN standards, not closed
ones, so you might want to learn a bit more about the industry before
you make uneducated claims.

> Don't you get angry you cannot copy the text out of an email and paste it
> into another email to someone else or a URL?

no. the way the iphone is organized, there is never much need to copy
and paste, info is better when it just moves from app to app like iLife.

you need to learn how the iPhone operates, then you won't make such
uninformed comments.

> I'd be really pissed, myself. It angers me we have no JAVA runtime on the
> N800 Linux tablets. NOAA uses JAVA a lot and I can't browse there. The
> rest is pretty much covered. I can't imagine being without Flash and
> javascript in any browser, today.

it's great since everything works correctly, no more guessing, the
iphone is a dream machine, everyone understands that, but for a few old
timers that like to live in the past, it's not going to meet your low
standards.

In article <ga8uvo$ccd$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Mike
<mikeloveschampagneandrugby@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Anybody wrote:
> > In article <ga74bq$6qn$1@aioe.org>, "Arrow" <arrow201@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Xns9B14B1004E244noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> >>> iPhone News <invalid@nospam.net> wrote in news:invalid-
> >>> 1ABA69.14112709092008@news.giganews.com:
> >>>
> >>>> Software 2.1 is due this weekend (September 14/15) for iPod Touch and
> >>>> iPhone with a raft of bug fixes for such things as dropped calls, short
> >>>> battery life, slow backups, app crashes, cut and paste, voice dialing,
> >>>> multitasking, A2DP stereo, BT tethering, 3rd party software, external
> >>>> keyboard and mouse, Flash, Javascript, Firefox 3 mobile, codec support
> >>>> for OGG/FLAC/DivX/mpg/wmv/wma/flv/wav/realvideo/realaudio/ and a
> >>>> memory card reader that plugs into the docking port with USB support
> >>>>
> >>>> iTunes 8.0 should be ready to go for this afternoon sometime. Just check
> >>>> for updates when you open up the application.
> >>>>
> >>> Hell, if we're gonna dream.....Let's DREAM!
> >>>
> >> Larr is dreaming for a n800 newsgroup :)
> >
> > Please do not encourage the moron. Just ignore it and hopefully it will
> > go away.
>
> That didn't work when I caught athletes foot and I don't hold out much
> hope of it working with Larry. I'd recommend canesten powder.
>
> Mike

I'd recommend a gun, buring at the stake, drowning or rat poison in
it's sandwiches ... but simply ignoring the moron is easier and legal.

"David Moyer" <davmoy@world.com> wrote in message
news:48c8392e$0$33220$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Let's hold the childish name calling for a second and let me ask you for
>> an
>> honest answer.....
>>
>> Don't you guys ever feel rather cheated while browsing things you cannot
>> see or trying to play some common file it just won't play after spending
>> all this money?
>
> there is a difference between a common file and a "standard" file. you
> are wanting to play non-standard files which with Apple is not the
> correct direction for the best customer satisfaction.
>
> learn the difference. apple is all about OPEN standards, not closed
> ones, so you might want to learn a bit more about the industry before
> you make uneducated claims.
>
>> Don't you get angry you cannot copy the text out of an email and paste it
>> into another email to someone else or a URL?
>
> no. the way the iphone is organized, there is never much need to copy
> and paste, info is better when it just moves from app to app like iLife.
>
> you need to learn how the iPhone operates, then you won't make such
> uninformed comments.
>
>> I'd be really pissed, myself. It angers me we have no JAVA runtime on
>> the
>> N800 Linux tablets. NOAA uses JAVA a lot and I can't browse there. The
>> rest is pretty much covered. I can't imagine being without Flash and
>> javascript in any browser, today.
>
> it's great since everything works correctly, no more guessing, the
> iphone is a dream machine, everyone understands that, but for a few old
> timers that like to live in the past, it's not going to meet your low
> standards.


If there so_open_ then why not allow it without hacking ?

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:38:39 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:


>
>Let's hold the childish name calling for a second

How about forever?

>
>Don't you guys ever feel rather cheated while browsing things you cannot
>see or trying to play some common file it just won't play after spending
>all this money?

No, for a few reasons I think are pretty good:

1. There really isn't anything that I NEED to do with my iPhone that I
can't. Can't see flash? Screw it. I don't really care. There's an
immeasurable amount of web out there I can see, and the iPhone browser
does a really fine job with it.

Also, I work in front of both Apple and PC computers 26.5 hours a day.
During the brief periods I'm not working out of my home office, my
need for the 'Net is limited to several important functions (e-mail,
quick fact-finding). These things, I have found, the iPhone does
extremely well.

2. What the iPhone DOES do for me, that other devices cannot or do
poorly, compensates for any potential features it lacks. Specifically,
it works in Japanese or English, or both, across all applications. It
does this flawlessly, and did so right out of the box. The Japanese
functionality was overseen by native Japanese users, so it's logical
and natural (to use Japanese in WinMo, for example, you have to use
third-party shareware that was written by Chinese people. We're lucky
they took the initiative, and I applaud them, but it isn't really a
good application for native users of Japanese, and delivers
inconsistent results under different applications and on different
networks and devices).

It also plays music pretty nicely and does lots of other handy things.
These things are all gravy, once the essentials are well taken care
of.

3. I write about design, and the iPhone is thoughtfully designed.
There are many devices out there that are put together like a Swiss
Army Knife created by people who don't know one another, via postcard.
They do lots of things, probably, but they're unwieldy messes that
have to be rebooted a dozen times a day. Trust me when I say I'm old
school, I've been there.

4. They're not really that expensive considering the convenience and
the above.

5. I have a life beyond my devices.

DGI

Jochem Huhmann <joh@gmx.net> wrote in
news:m263p3985h.fsf@marvin.revier.com:

> Well, not being able to see Flash ads or such isn't that bad, really.
> And if Flash would work only bad (since you haven't got enough CPU-power
> or browsing would eat to much battery then or the screen resolution is
> not enough on the small screen) it would be worse than not having Flash
> at all.
>
>

Flash doesn't seem to eat the N800 battery any worse than anything else it
does. The big battery hog is the display. If I turn down the brightness
of the display, it extends the battery out several hours. The ARM
processor in the N800 is very close to the one in iPhone. With OS2008 the
processor runs at 400 Mhz, which is no supercomputer. Iphone would do
Flash 9 just as well as mine, I'm sure.

David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote in news:48c8392e$0$33220$815e3792
@news.qwest.net:

> there is a difference between a common file and a "standard" file. you
> are wanting to play non-standard files which with Apple is not the
> correct direction for the best customer satisfaction.
>
> learn the difference. apple is all about OPEN standards, not closed
> ones, so you might want to learn a bit more about the industry before
> you make uneducated claims.
>
>

Apple needs to come out of its self-imposed closet and have a look in the
real world. I'm sorry they're not the super company they want to be but it
is nonsense to expect every web designer to make special Apple pages and
bend to Apple's will. Apple products should play the POPULAR formats the
web is famous for, no matter who instigated it. If BBC plays videos in
Real Video embedded in the browser, Apple needs to license Real Video in
Safari to provide that service to its customers.....not leave them out in
the dark on some H264 nonsense hardly anyone uses but Apple.

This is just an attempt to force the customers to iTunes, another BOX
OFFICE feature to create revenue.

Apple products being "open standards" is really laughable. They've been
trying, unsuccessfully, to get everyone else to use their proprietary mov
files for years. Apple loves proprietary, otherwise they'd be running
Linux, not their proprietary, locked up operating system developers must
get on their knees and kiss Apple's feet to write software for. That's
precisely why they never made it off the ground over Micro$oft....Anyone
can write code for windows....and do.

"John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ga96l00m5j@news1.newsguy.com:

> My daugher-in-law insists on sending me multimedia pictures to an
> iphone I have. Of course you get a message to go to viewmypicures.com
> (ATT site)and have to type in a horrible alphanumeric message id and
> password which is embedded in the message. So I have to go get a pen
> and paper and write them down then re-enter them to see the picture or
> use another computer and get the id off the iphone. If it was anything
> but pictures of my grandaughter I would delete the darn thing and not
> bother.
>
>

You should be able to doubleclick on that embedded URL and the iPhone
should know how to boot its browser and take you directly to them. This
isn't 1989. A premium device like this should easily handle any of these
embedded apps automatically, password and all.

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> > it's great since everything works correctly, no more guessing, the
> > iphone is a dream machine, everyone understands that, but for a few old
> > timers that like to live in the past, it's not going to meet your low
> > standards.
>
>
> If there so_open_ then why not allow it without hacking ?

Ask AT&T, Apple doesn't have a choice in that matter.