iPhone software update 2.1 this weekend (iTunes 8 today)

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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> "John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>> My daugher-in-law insists on sending me multimedia pictures to an
>> iphone I have. Of course you get a message to go to viewmypicures.com
>> (ATT site)and have to type in a horrible alphanumeric message id and
>> password which is embedded in the message. So I have to go get a pen
>> and paper and write them down then re-enter them to see the picture or
>> use another computer and get the id off the iphone. If it was anything
>> but pictures of my grandaughter I would delete the darn thing and not
>> bother.
>>
>>
>
> You should be able to doubleclick on that embedded URL and the iPhone
> should know how to boot its browser and take you directly to them. This
> isn't 1989. A premium device like this should easily handle any of these
> embedded apps automatically, password and all.
>

Amen brother, that would be so nice

On Sep 11, 7:44*am, "John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com>
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> "Larry" <no...@home.com> wrote in message
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> > "John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >news:ga96l00m5j@news1.newsguy.com:
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> >> My daugher-in-law insists on sending me multimedia pictures to an
> >> iphone I have. Of course you get a message to go to viewmypicures.com
> >> (ATT site)and have to type in a horrible alphanumeric message id and
> >> password which is embedded in *the message. So I have to go get a pen
> >> and paper and write them down then re-enter them to see the picture or
> >> use another computer and get the id off the iphone. If it was anything
> >> but pictures of my grandaughter I would delete the darn thing and not
> >> bother.
>
> > You should be able to doubleclick on that embedded URL and the iPhone
> > should know how to boot its browser and take you directly to them. *This
> > isn't 1989. *A premium device like this should easily handle any of these
> > embedded apps automatically, password and all.
>
> Amen brother, that would be so nice- Hide quoted text -
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Why can't she send them via email like everyone else does to an
iPhone?

You can always open another FREE GMAIL account to get them on your
iPhone. Then you will have another 7GB of storage online to archive
those picture messages in. You can then pull them up on any computer
in the world over the next several years by going to your Google
accoount. I know a man with 15 of them now, so that is what 105GB
online with Google?

When you get a email with one or more picture messages, download them
all to your phone then hold your finger on just one picture until a
pop up appears asking if you want to save all of then to your photo
library. Do it. Then you can play them just like any other photo album
using the automatic iPhone slide show or zoom them, flip them, and so
forth.
Don't forget to add music if you are showing them to others.

I am glad i finally got an iPhone too.

"techwiz" <McPherson.truck.2349@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 11, 7:44 am, "John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com>
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> "Larry" <no...@home.com> wrote in message
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> > "John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >news:ga96l00m5j@news1.newsguy.com:
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> >> My daugher-in-law insists on sending me multimedia pictures to an
> >> iphone I have. Of course you get a message to go to viewmypicures.com
> >> (ATT site)and have to type in a horrible alphanumeric message id and
> >> password which is embedded in the message. So I have to go get a pen
> >> and paper and write them down then re-enter them to see the picture or
> >> use another computer and get the id off the iphone. If it was anything
> >> but pictures of my grandaughter I would delete the darn thing and not
> >> bother.
>
> > You should be able to doubleclick on that embedded URL and the iPhone
> > should know how to boot its browser and take you directly to them. This
> > isn't 1989. A premium device like this should easily handle any of these
> > embedded apps automatically, password and all.
>
> Amen brother, that would be so nice- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Why can't she send them via email like everyone else does to an
iPhone?

You can always open another FREE GMAIL account to get them on your
iPhone. Then you will have another 7GB of storage online to archive
those picture messages in. You can then pull them up on any computer
in the world over the next several years by going to your Google
accoount. I know a man with 15 of them now, so that is what 105GB
online with Google?

When you get a email with one or more picture messages, download them
all to your phone then hold your finger on just one picture until a
pop up appears asking if you want to save all of then to your photo
library. Do it. Then you can play them just like any other photo album
using the automatic iPhone slide show or zoom them, flip them, and so
forth.
Don't forget to add music if you are showing them to others.

I am glad i finally got an iPhone too.

She sends pictures vie email too, and I have those loaded into camera roll.
It is just the spontaneous things she sends out. thansk for the info.

"John B. Coarsey, PE @yahoo.com>" <jcoarsey<nospam> wrote in message
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or zoom them, flip them, and so

> I am glad i finally got an iPhone too.
>
> She sends pictures vie email too, and I have those loaded into camera
> roll. It is just the spontaneous things she sends out. thansk for the
> info.

For the life of me, I don't know why AT&T doesn't just setup an automatic
forwarding service for iPhone customers that redirects incoming MMS to any
email address the iPhone owner specifies. This would solve the problem of
the lack of MMS on the iPhone instantly! MMS is pretty redundant on a
smartphone. You can always send her an "MMS" by attaching a picture to an
email and emailing it to phonenumber@mms.att.net. IMO, that's the only
outgoing "MMS" support the iPhone needs.

For receiving her MMS messages, you might ask her if she can MMS them to
whatever email account you use on your iPhone. Even if her phone can't MMS
to email directly via it's menus (though many can) cell companies generally
have a message-to-email gateway number you can send messages to. AT&T uses
"36245" (it spells "email" on the keypad) for that service. You send your
text or picture message to "36245" and start the message with
joeblow@whatever.com then a space, then the rest of the message, and AT&T
sends it as an email to the recipient you typed. That's a little extra work
on her end, maybe, but much less for you!

On Sep 11, 12:59*pm, "Todd Allcock" <eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> "John B. Coarsey, PE @yahoo.com>" <jcoarsey<nospam> wrote in messagenews:gabbn501jue@news6.newsguy.com...
> or zoom them, flip them, and so
>
> > I am glad i finally got an iPhone too.
>
> > She sends pictures vie email too, and I have those loaded into camera
> > roll. It is just the spontaneous things she sends out. thansk for the
> > info.
>
> For the life of me, I don't know why AT&T doesn't just setup an automatic
> forwarding service for iPhone customers that redirects incoming MMS to any
> email address the iPhone owner specifies. *This would solve the problemof
> the lack of MMS on the iPhone instantly! *MMS is pretty redundant on a
> smartphone. *You can always send her an "MMS" by attaching a picture toan
> email and emailing it to phonenum...@mms.att.net. *IMO, that's the only
> outgoing "MMS" support the iPhone needs.
>
> For receiving her MMS messages, you might ask her if she can MMS them to
> whatever email account you use on your iPhone. *Even if her phone can'tMMS
> to email directly via it's menus (though many can) cell companies generally
> have a message-to-email gateway number you can send messages to. *AT&T uses
> "36245" (it spells "email" on the keypad) for that service. *You send your
> text or picture message to "36245" and start the message with
> joeb...@whatever.com then a space, then the rest of the message, and AT&T
> sends it as an email to the recipient you typed. *That's a little extrawork
> on her end, maybe, but much less for you!

I didn't know that!

You need to write an insruction guide for AT&T reps on how to better
inform customers.

"John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:gab0bk01dod@news6.newsguy.com:

>> You should be able to doubleclick on that embedded URL and the iPhone
>> should know how to boot its browser and take you directly to them.
>> This isn't 1989. A premium device like this should easily handle any
>> of these embedded apps automatically, password and all.
>>
>
> Amen brother, that would be so nice
>
>
>

That's what Firefox does on the N800. Works great, multitasking.

If it determines a media plugin from some TV station or other would look
better in a stand alone, it boots the Media Player and hands it the stream
URL to play, instead of playing in a little window too small to see.

N800's ARM processor is just like your iPhone, so the capability is there,
maybe if we drop some glitz sucking up the CPU.

"techwiz" <McPherson.truck.2349@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 11, 12:59 pm, "Todd Allcock" <eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
> "John B. Coarsey, PE @yahoo.com>" <jcoarsey<nospam> wrote in
> messagenews:gabbn501jue@news6.newsguy.com...
> or zoom them, flip them, and so
>
> > I am glad i finally got an iPhone too.
>
> > She sends pictures vie email too, and I have those loaded into camera
> > roll. It is just the spontaneous things she sends out. thansk for the
> > info.
>
> For the life of me, I don't know why AT&T doesn't just setup an automatic
> forwarding service for iPhone customers that redirects incoming MMS to any
> email address the iPhone owner specifies. This would solve the problem of
> the lack of MMS on the iPhone instantly! MMS is pretty redundant on a
> smartphone. You can always send her an "MMS" by attaching a picture to an
> email and emailing it to phonenum...@mms.att.net. IMO, that's the only
> outgoing "MMS" support the iPhone needs.
>
> For receiving her MMS messages, you might ask her if she can MMS them to
> whatever email account you use on your iPhone. Even if her phone can't MMS
> to email directly via it's menus (though many can) cell companies
> generally
> have a message-to-email gateway number you can send messages to. AT&T uses
> "36245" (it spells "email" on the keypad) for that service. You send your
> text or picture message to "36245" and start the message with
> joeb...@whatever.com then a space, then the rest of the message, and AT&T
> sends it as an email to the recipient you typed. That's a little extra
> work
> on her end, maybe, but much less for you!

I didn't know that!

You need to write an insruction guide for AT&T reps on how to better
inform customers.


Why it was not already in there is apple's fault. Plain and simple.

Now I'll wait to hear that this is AT&T doing and not apple which I'll say
Total BS In advance.

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>> For receiving her MMS messages, you might ask her if she can MMS them to
>> whatever email account you use on your iPhone. Even if her phone can't
>> MMS
>> to email directly via it's menus (though many can) cell companies
>> generally
>> have a message-to-email gateway number you can send messages to. AT&T
>> uses
>> "36245" (it spells "email" on the keypad) for that service. You send your
>> text or picture message to "36245" and start the message with
>> joeb...@whatever.com then a space, then the rest of the message, and AT&T
>> sends it as an email to the recipient you typed. That's a little extra
>> work
>> on her end, maybe, but much less for you!
>
> I didn't know that!
>
> You need to write an insruction guide for AT&T reps on how to better
> inform customers.

After spending a decade as a Cingular customer, there are plenty of other
things I'd like to do to their reps if I ever got them alone in a room than
try and educate them, trust me! ;-)

> Why it was not already in there is apple's fault. Plain and simple.

Lack of MMS support certainly is Apple's fault, no argument from me, but
AT&T certainly could take an initiative and make the end-user experience
better for THEIR customers. Especially considering all the (wasted) time
and effort upgrading their EDGE network last year to support their
"Flagship" non-3G phone, and setting up the backend system for Visual
Voicemail (gee- right there is a "hidden" push email account available on
every iPhone that AT&T could redirect MMSes to, after converting them to
email!)

> Now I'll wait to hear that this is AT&T doing and not apple which I'll say
> Total BS In advance.

Agreed. Larry will call it a $ellphone con$piracy to make customers pay
more for data plans, and Oxford and 4Phun will attempt to convince us that
MMS is an ancient technology not worthy of consideration on such a "modern"
device.

Myself, I'm a pragmatist. AT&T is in the MMS business, and they sell an
undisputedly popular device without any MMS support. Until they convince
Apple to add it, they could come up with such a simple workaround, which at
the $0.20 (or whatever) a pop they charge for sending and receiving
messages, should be all the incentive they need to put an autoforwarder in
place (properly disclaimered that iPhone customers will be charged the going
MMS rate for forwarded MMSes, unless they have the appropriate messaging
plan, etc.)

in article a6jgc453rrvdn71ojld0pog65q1mivoi5l@4ax.com, David G. Imber at
imber@maniform.com wrote on 11/09/08 9:02 AM:

> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:38:39 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Let's hold the childish name calling for a second
>
> How about forever?
>
>>
>> Don't you guys ever feel rather cheated while browsing things you cannot
>> see or trying to play some common file it just won't play after spending
>> all this money?
>
> No, for a few reasons I think are pretty good:
>
> 1. There really isn't anything that I NEED to do with my iPhone that I
> can't. Can't see flash? Screw it. I don't really care. There's an
> immeasurable amount of web out there I can see, and the iPhone browser
> does a really fine job with it.
>
> Also, I work in front of both Apple and PC computers 26.5 hours a day.
> During the brief periods I'm not working out of my home office, my
> need for the 'Net is limited to several important functions (e-mail,
> quick fact-finding). These things, I have found, the iPhone does
> extremely well.
>
> 2. What the iPhone DOES do for me, that other devices cannot or do
> poorly, compensates for any potential features it lacks. Specifically,
> it works in Japanese or English, or both, across all applications. It
> does this flawlessly, and did so right out of the box. The Japanese
> functionality was overseen by native Japanese users, so it's logical
> and natural (to use Japanese in WinMo, for example, you have to use
> third-party shareware that was written by Chinese people. We're lucky
> they took the initiative, and I applaud them, but it isn't really a
> good application for native users of Japanese, and delivers
> inconsistent results under different applications and on different
> networks and devices).
>
> It also plays music pretty nicely and does lots of other handy things.
> These things are all gravy, once the essentials are well taken care
> of.
>
> 3. I write about design, and the iPhone is thoughtfully designed.
> There are many devices out there that are put together like a Swiss
> Army Knife created by people who don't know one another, via postcard.
> They do lots of things, probably, but they're unwieldy messes that
> have to be rebooted a dozen times a day. Trust me when I say I'm old
> school, I've been there.
>
> 4. They're not really that expensive considering the convenience and
> the above.
>
> 5. I have a life beyond my devices.
>
> DGI
>
Great post David - thoughtful, useful and no name calling.

Nigel

At 10 Sep 2008 15:16:30 -0600 David Moyer wrote:

> > Don't you get angry you cannot copy the text out of an email and paste
it
> > into another email to someone else or a URL?
>
> no. the way the iphone is organized, there is never much need to copy
> and paste, info is better when it just moves from app to app like iLife.
>
> you need to learn how the iPhone operates, then you won't make such
> uninformed comments.


Um, do you really want to stand by that "data just flows" story?

When you tried it a month ago...
"In message <489fc1c8$0$87076$815e3...@news.qwest.net> David Moyer
<dav...@world.com> wrote:
>
>it's not really needed on the iphone since everything is so well weaved
>together. data just flows from one app to another kinda like how iLife
>operates. cut and paste was a throw back to the desktop era.

To which DevilsPGD responed:

> Wow. *That is *so* not true... *on the iPhone, we're a long way from
> data "just flowing" from one app to another well enough to alleviate
> the need for copy/paste.
> Having been using an iPhone for a few days, there are a few things Ido
> very regularly which either need copy and paste, or more integration
> between applications.
>A few examples of problems I've personally encountered on my iPhone that
> could have been solved on other platforms using copy/paste.
>
> 1) Receive an address via (SMS|email|website), navigate to that address
> in Google Maps.
> 2) Receive an address via (SMS|email|website), add it to a contact.
> 3) Record an order number from a web purchase (okay, a screenshot kinda
> helps here, although it still doesn't help me email that number without
> looking a little less then professional)
> 4) Navigate to a URL received via email which the iPhone mail client
> failed to recognize as clickable.
>5) Email to an address written like "bob at crazyhat.net" on the web or
> in a mail account.
> 6) Copy a sent or received SMS from one contact and send it via
> (SMS|email)

To which, you replied:

> all good points, it will happen in time.

So which is it, Oxy? "there is never much need to copy and paste" or "it
will happen in time"?