iPhone users get BBC radio downloads

On 2008-11-30 09:52:03 -0600, Larry <noone@home.com> said:

> Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote in news:301120081032125525%fort514
> @mac.com:
>
>> In article <slrngj433p.4jv.jon+usenet@snowy.squish.net>, Jon Ribbens
>> <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> What's to understand? It's available in the common H264 format as is
>>> standard for digital TV and as supported natively by the iPhone.
>>> Click it, watch it. What's the question?
>>
>> Larry is a kook. He does not want to understand.
>>
>
> Au Contraire. I do want to understand. I want to understand why the
> majority of internet streaming radio stations not associated with Apple,
> Inc., use RealMedia or Windows Media or Adobe Flash to deliver content,
> but the iPhone AND THE STORM, by the way, do not support them. I THINK
> I understand why. "They", the carriers, want to prevent, or at least
> thwart the average dunce who will accept it, from using BANDWIDTH, which
> lowers their profit margins and "they" know "they" cannot deliver such
> content to a large audience of paying customers. So, "they" have made
> arrangements through "firmware" to disable it if it were available in
> the first place, or get their suppliers, such as Apple, Inc., to leave
> such popular codecs out of the product in the first place. The result
> is only a tiny fraction of the very savvy users have the technical
> skills to hack the hobbling to get to the content everyone desires.
>
> It is a terrible waste of content provider resources to have to create
> workarounds to this nonsense, such as WAP or special iPhone websites to
> pander to these forced limitations. These resources could have been
> better spent creating faster servers on wider pipes to deliver better-
> looking content to the rest of us.

You don't think it has anything to do with the cost of licensing the codecs?
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Boston Blackie <bblackie@mail.com> wrote in
news:2008113009570950073-bblackie@mailcom:

> You don't think it has anything to do with the cost of licensing the
> codecs?
>

No. Most Codecs they COULD include are free.

Case in point:
http://www.xiph.org/

All those are freeware from the open source community. Check out the
available 2,200 streams playing on them as I type this on Xiph's Icecast
directory. Wish more TV stations would play NSV freeware video streams.

Most all codecs Winamp plays, like these from xiph, are free....

.....but, of course, then iphoners would be streaming...which I believe is
FORBIDDEN in the ATT AUP, right?

Larry wrote:
> Au Contraire. I do want to understand. I want to understand why the
> majority of internet streaming radio stations not associated with Apple,
> Inc., use RealMedia or Windows Media or Adobe Flash to deliver content,
> but the iPhone AND THE STORM, by the way, do not support them.

RealMedia = Codec
Windows Media = Codec
Adobe Flash = Container

What's in the Adobe Flash container is the question, it it H264 or is it
not?

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Adrian C

On Nov 30, 10:52*am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> Charles <fort...@mac.com> wrote in news:301120081032125525%fort514
> @mac.com:
>
> > In article <slrngj433p.4jv.jon+use...@snowy.squish.net>, Jon Ribbens
> > <jon+use...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> What's to understand? It's available in the common H264 format as is
> >> standard for digital TV and as supported natively by the iPhone.
> >> Click it, watch it. What's the question?
>
> > Larry is a kook. He does not want to understand.
>
> Au Contraire. *I do want to understand. *I want to understand why the
> majority of internet streaming radio stations not associated with Apple,
> Inc., use RealMedia or Windows Media or Adobe Flash to deliver content,
> but the iPhone AND THE STORM, by the way, do not support them. *I THINK
> I understand why. *"They", the carriers, want to prevent, or at least
> thwart the average dunce who will accept it, from using BANDWIDTH, which
> lowers their profit margins and "they" know "they" cannot deliver such
> content to a large audience of paying customers. *So, "they" have made
> arrangements through "firmware" to disable it if it were available in
> the first place, or get their suppliers, such as Apple, Inc., to leave
> such popular codecs out of the product in the first place. *The result
> is only a tiny fraction of the very savvy users have the technical
> skills to hack the hobbling to get to the content everyone desires.
>
> It is a terrible waste of content provider resources to have to create
> workarounds to this nonsense, such as WAP or special iPhone websites to
> pander to these forced limitations. *These resources could have been
> better spent creating faster servers on wider pipes to deliver better-
> looking content to the rest of us.

Lawrence, I assume that is what your mother called you, when you were
born. My initial thought was she may have said "horse turds" when you
opened your moth there in the hospital.

Lawrence any iPhone user can download an application for the iPhone
that allows thousands of Internet radio Stations to be streamed to the
iPhone in real time. I have inadvertently sold iPhones to friends and
neighbors who though they were aware of the various features of the
iPhone were overwhelmed with joy when they found they could listen to
home town news from other foreign towns and villages with a simple tap
of the finger.

The iPhone markets itself as more and more people share with others
some of the neat things you can do with it.

"4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7585f3ba-0e35-4eac-88c0-c42b8bbe1b31@k36g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 30, 10:52 am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> Charles <fort...@mac.com> wrote in news:301120081032125525%fort514
> @mac.com:
>
> > In article <slrngj433p.4jv.jon+use...@snowy.squish.net>, Jon Ribbens
> > <jon+use...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> What's to understand? It's available in the common H264 format as is
> >> standard for digital TV and as supported natively by the iPhone.
> >> Click it, watch it. What's the question?
>
> > Larry is a kook. He does not want to understand.
>
> Au Contraire. I do want to understand. I want to understand why the
> majority of internet streaming radio stations not associated with Apple,
> Inc., use RealMedia or Windows Media or Adobe Flash to deliver content,
> but the iPhone AND THE STORM, by the way, do not support them. I THINK
> I understand why. "They", the carriers, want to prevent, or at least
> thwart the average dunce who will accept it, from using BANDWIDTH, which
> lowers their profit margins and "they" know "they" cannot deliver such
> content to a large audience of paying customers. So, "they" have made
> arrangements through "firmware" to disable it if it were available in
> the first place, or get their suppliers, such as Apple, Inc., to leave
> such popular codecs out of the product in the first place. The result
> is only a tiny fraction of the very savvy users have the technical
> skills to hack the hobbling to get to the content everyone desires.
>
> It is a terrible waste of content provider resources to have to create
> workarounds to this nonsense, such as WAP or special iPhone websites to
> pander to these forced limitations. These resources could have been
> better spent creating faster servers on wider pipes to deliver better-
> looking content to the rest of us.

Lawrence, I assume that is what your mother called you, when you were
born. My initial thought was she may have said "horse turds" when you
opened your moth there in the hospital.

Lawrence any iPhone user can download an application for the iPhone
that allows thousands of Internet radio Stations to be streamed to the
iPhone in real time. I have inadvertently sold iPhones to friends and
neighbors who though they were aware of the various features of the
iPhone were overwhelmed with joy when they found they could listen to
home town news from other foreign towns and villages with a simple tap
of the finger.

The iPhone markets itself as more and more people share with others
some of the neat things you can do with it.

And things you can't do with it. :) And the list keeps getting bigger.

In article <TUCYk.8383$yr3.7072@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>, Kevin Weaver
<kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> And things you can't do with it. :) And the list keeps getting bigger.

You are like a broken record. It is hard to take you seriously. Every
day the list of things you can do with the iPhone gets longer.

--
Charles

"Charles" <fort514@mac.com> wrote in message
news:301120081809320912%fort514@mac.com...
> In article <TUCYk.8383$yr3.7072@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>, Kevin Weaver
> <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> And things you can't do with it. :) And the list keeps getting bigger.
>
> You are like a broken record. It is hard to take you seriously. Every
> day the list of things you can do with the iPhone gets longer.
>
> --
> Charles

And the reason it get's bigger is they did not add it to it in the first
place.

If they did at the start, that list would have been very small.

Copy and paste is one. After a year and a half where is it ? It must be on
that long list huh.

In article <c9FYk.7243$as4.7022@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>, Kevin Weaver
<kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Copy and paste is one. After a year and a half where is it ? It must be on
> that long list huh.

Copy and paste would be nice to have but it is not a necessity.

--
Charles

"Charles" <fort514@mac.com> wrote in message
news:301120081829443646%fort514@mac.com...
> In article <c9FYk.7243$as4.7022@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>, Kevin Weaver
> <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Copy and paste is one. After a year and a half where is it ? It must be
>> on
>> that long list huh.
>
> Copy and paste would be nice to have but it is not a necessity.
>
> --
> Charles

For you maybe. The Copy and paste is mostly a time saver. 99% of the iPhone
apps are not a necessity.

In article <skGYk.8981$be.5062@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>, Kevin Weaver
<kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> For you maybe. The Copy and paste is mostly a time saver. 99% of the iPhone
> apps are not a necessity.

If copy and paste is a necessity to someone they would not buy an
iPhone.

Are you stupid or are you a troll? Or both?

--
Charles