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Old June 23rd, 2009
There's an app for that...on the $99 iPhone @ AT&T
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Will Apple (AAPL) iPhone Sales Cause A New Recession?

http://247wallst.com/2009/06/23/will...new-recession/

Apple (AAPL) sold more than one million of its new iPhones over the
weekend. The costs of those handsets could have been $300 million, and
that does not include the two-year calling plan from AT&T (T).
Together, the handset and service commitments made by consumers should
be between $500 million and $1 billion. Those figures could easily
stretch to $3 billion or $4 billion by the end of the summer, even if
the pace of sales of the iPhone drops considerably.

The success of the new phone is either a sign that customers have the
cash to help push up consumer spending, or they are willing to return
to their leveraged habits, habits that helped bring on and then
exacerbate the recession. It may take months to know which of the two
possible paths the economy is taking.

The sales of the iPhone are certainly a sign that the consumer has
become intrepid. He has been unwilling to part with money for several
quarters now. An especially well-made, well-branded, and well-marketed
product has changed that. Buyers could have resisted those
enticements, but they did not.

It is too bad that the no one knows where customers got the money to
buy their iPhones and whether they will be able to pay that debt and
the cost of the AT&T subscription plan. The money may have been
borrowed. It is borrowing the consumer may not have been able to
afford. AT&T subscriber default rates over the next few months will be
worth watching. iPhone purchasers may have overextended themselves.

The other and more optimistic case is that consumers have saved money
long enough and kept household expenses down so that they can afford a
new modestly priced consumer electronics device. But, that sounds un-
American. No one pay cash anymore if they can use leverage. The
recession has probably not taught people a thing.

Douglas A. McIntyre
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Old June 23rd, 2009
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:27:59 -0700 (PDT), "There's an app for that...on
the $99 iPhone @ AT&T" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
<529549fd-d444-4130-8506-4463cf8c07f6@r10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>:

>Will Apple (AAPL) iPhone Sales Cause A New Recession?
>...


How funny!

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If the iPhone is really so impressive, why do fans keep
making excuses for it? The inquiring mind wants to know.
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Old June 24th, 2009
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Default Will Apple iPhone Sales Cause A New Recession?

In article
<529549fd-d444-4130-8506-4463cf8c07f6@r10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
"There's an app for that...on the $99 iPhone @ AT&T"
<vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote:

> Will Apple (AAPL) iPhone Sales Cause A New Recession?
>
> http://247wallst.com/2009/06/23/will...se-a-new-reces
> sion/
>
> Apple (AAPL) sold more than one million of its new iPhones over the
> weekend. The costs of those handsets could have been $300 million, and
> that does not include the two-year calling plan from AT&T (T).
> Together, the handset and service commitments made by consumers should
> be between $500 million and $1 billion. Those figures could easily
> stretch to $3 billion or $4 billion by the end of the summer, even if
> the pace of sales of the iPhone drops considerably.
>
> The success of the new phone is either a sign that customers have the
> cash to help push up consumer spending, or they are willing to return
> to their leveraged habits, habits that helped bring on and then
> exacerbate the recession. It may take months to know which of the two
> possible paths the economy is taking.



If Apple sells 100 million iPhones this year, you could be right.

http://eurthisnthat.com/low-income-r...-iphone-sales/



>
> The sales of the iPhone are certainly a sign that the consumer has
> become intrepid. He has been unwilling to part with money for several
> quarters now. An especially well-made, well-branded, and well-marketed
> product has changed that. Buyers could have resisted those
> enticements, but they did not.
>
> It is too bad that the no one knows where customers got the money to
> buy their iPhones and whether they will be able to pay that debt and
> the cost of the AT&T subscription plan. The money may have been
> borrowed. It is borrowing the consumer may not have been able to
> afford. AT&T subscriber default rates over the next few months will be
> worth watching. iPhone purchasers may have overextended themselves.
>
> The other and more optimistic case is that consumers have saved money
> long enough and kept household expenses down so that they can afford a
> new modestly priced consumer electronics device. But, that sounds un-
> American. No one pay cash anymore if they can use leverage. The
> recession has probably not taught people a thing.
>
> Douglas A. McIntyre


I haven't paid interest on a credit card in 28 years.
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"Jackzwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jackzwick-D1A4EA.08454724062009@news.dallas.sbcglobal.net...
>

<SNIP>
>
> I haven't paid interest on a credit card in 28 years.


I have, but only once, and that was only because I forgot that there was,
unusually, a second page to the bill so I misread the total. :-( I use my
credit card for just about everything I buy and other than that one time
I've never paid credit card interest either (and in about the same amount of
years as you too).


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On 6/24/09 4:10 PM, in article h1u4l7$o7o$1@lust.ihug.co.nz, "Your Name"
<your.name@isp.com> wrote:

>
> "Jackzwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:jackzwick-D1A4EA.08454724062009@news.dallas.sbcglobal.net...
>>

> <SNIP>
>>
>> I haven't paid interest on a credit card in 28 years.

>
> I've never paid credit card interest either (and in about the same amount of
> years as you too).
>
>

Hence, "your name"?

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Old July 1st, 2009
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Default Will Apple iPhone Sales Cause A New Recession?

In article <C668E8A8.2D9C3%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/24/09 4:10 PM, in article h1u4l7$o7o$1@lust.ihug.co.nz, "Your Name"
> <your.name@isp.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Jackzwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:jackzwick-D1A4EA.08454724062009@news.dallas.sbcglobal.net...
> >>

> > <SNIP>
> >>
> >> I haven't paid interest on a credit card in 28 years.

> >
> > I've never paid credit card interest either (and in about the same amount of
> > years as you too).
> >
> >

> Hence, "your name"?


It could have been "Resident". Credit card statements are easier to
ignore (and pass on).

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