New iPhones to use 3G network

Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in
news:C37893ED.9C04E%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com:

> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
> Xns99FAA5F696F70isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 4:18 PM:
>
>>> EVERYONE will now try to build a iPhone "like" device since Apple
>>> now sets all standards within the Cell Market.
>>
>> Well, where are they? It's been almost a year since the phone was
>> announced and five months since it hit the market- where are all the
>> copycats? I'll help you- they don't exist because nobody is running
>> scared from it. Nobody has the need to make a copycat.
>
> There are a number of copycats.
>
> <http://www.handcellphone.com/archive...copy-cat-cell-
> phone -that-looks-just-like-iphone>

A phone in the one market that has turned down the iPhone.

>
> <http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/copycats/...nt-looks-just-
> like- the-iphone-310295.php>

A patent application. Where's the phone?

Where are the phones that are supposed to compete with the original? These
hardly qualify.

>
>
>>
>>> But they can't use
>>> Multi-Touch...
>>
>> Who cares? It's toy technology.
>>
>>> so by default consumers won't touch anything but the
>>> 6-20 Apple cell phone models going forward.
>>
>> You'll be lucky to find one in a couple of years, particularly if the
>> open technoplogy movement gains steam. Apple hates open technology,
>> and that hatred will be its downfall in the cellular world.
>>
> Apple hates open tech? You do know how much they embrace the open
> source world... right?
>
>

Yeah- the wide variety of third party apps available for the iPhone
demonstrates it.

"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
Xns99FAC9DCE9171isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 7:50 PM:

> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in
> news:C37893ED.9C04E%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com:
>
>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>> Xns99FAA5F696F70isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 4:18 PM:
>>
>>>> EVERYONE will now try to build a iPhone "like" device since Apple
>>>> now sets all standards within the Cell Market.
>>>
>>> Well, where are they? It's been almost a year since the phone was
>>> announced and five months since it hit the market- where are all the
>>> copycats? I'll help you- they don't exist because nobody is running
>>> scared from it. Nobody has the need to make a copycat.
>>
>> There are a number of copycats.
>>
>> <http://www.handcellphone.com/archive...copy-cat-cell-
>> phone -that-looks-just-like-iphone>
>
> A phone in the one market that has turned down the iPhone.
>
>>
>> <http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/copycats/...nt-looks-just-
>> like- the-iphone-310295.php>
>
> A patent application. Where's the phone?
>
> Where are the phones that are supposed to compete with the original? These
> hardly qualify.

The first one is clearly a phone that *is* "borrowing" from the iPhone, the
second shows at least likely plans. But not hard to find other references
to how *already* folks are looking to take the look and feel of the iPhone:

<http://www.popsci.com/popsci/technol...m1000004eecbcc
drcrd.html>

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ5cTo4jXHI>

<http://www.itechnews.net/2007/05/25/cect-p168-iphone-clone/>

<http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/k...x-iphone-clone
-on-video/>

<http://www.pmptoday.com/2007/07/21/w...ne-ifighting%E
2%80%99s-ft4021-debuts-online/>

<http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphone...s-mobile-and-p
alm-available-apples-angry-228943.php>

<http://www.myitablet.com/new-iphone-skin-for-any-wm5-smartphones-04527.php>

It is not as though it is a surprise to anyone with any feel for the
industry that people are working to copy Apple ... if not an outright copy
then to outdo Apple in their focus on the UI. Apple has made UI an issue
for the cell phone market - and that *will* change the industry.

>>>
>>>> But they can't use
>>>> Multi-Touch...
>>>
>>> Who cares? It's toy technology.
>>>
>>>> so by default consumers won't touch anything but the
>>>> 6-20 Apple cell phone models going forward.
>>>
>>> You'll be lucky to find one in a couple of years, particularly if the
>>> open technoplogy movement gains steam. Apple hates open technology,
>>> and that hatred will be its downfall in the cellular world.
>>>
>> Apple hates open tech? You do know how much they embrace the open
>> source world... right?
>
> Yeah- the wide variety of third party apps available for the iPhone
> demonstrates it.

I do not know how many apps exist for other cell phones, but looking for
iPhone apps - a new face in the arena - I can easily find hundreds:

<http://www.apple.com/webapps/index_abc.html>

(454 listed there as of right now... )

And keep in mind that is *before* the third party "native" tools have been
released - though those should be out fairly soon.

What other phone has that many apps? I really do not know... and I bet you
don't either. :)

--
Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
imagination. --Albert Einstein

Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in
news:C378C893.9C0BD%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com:

> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
> Xns99FAC9DCE9171isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 7:50 PM:
>

>>
>> Where are the phones that are supposed to compete with the original?
>> These hardly qualify.
>
> The first one is clearly a phone that *is* "borrowing" from the
> iPhone, the second shows at least likely plans. But not hard to find
> other references to how *already* folks are looking to take the look
> and feel of the iPhone:
>
> <http://www.popsci.com/popsci/technol...0vgnvcm1000004
e
> ecbcc drcrd.html>
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ5cTo4jXHI>
>
> <http://www.itechnews.net/2007/05/25/cect-p168-iphone-clone/>
>
> <http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/20/k...-fake-part-lx-
iphone-
> clone -on-video/>
>
> <http://www.pmptoday.com/2007/07/21/w...-iphone-clone-
ifight
> ing%E 2%80%99s-ft4021-debuts-online/>
>
> <http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphone...s-for-windows-
mobile-
> and-p alm-available-apples-angry-228943.php>
>
> <http://www.myitablet.com/new-iphone-...5-smartphones-
04527
> .php>
>
> It is not as though it is a surprise to anyone with any feel for the
> industry that people are working to copy Apple ... if not an outright
> copy then to outdo Apple in their focus on the UI. Apple has made UI
> an issue for the cell phone market - and that *will* change the
> industry.
>

But, to date, no copycats exist- only vaporware. When the Razr was
released, there were copycat phones on the market the next month. The
iPhone obviously does not command that level of fear or respect.

>>>>
>>>>> But they can't use
>>>>> Multi-Touch...
>>>>
>>>> Who cares? It's toy technology.
>>>>
>>>>> so by default consumers won't touch anything but the
>>>>> 6-20 Apple cell phone models going forward.
>>>>
>>>> You'll be lucky to find one in a couple of years, particularly if
>>>> the open technoplogy movement gains steam. Apple hates open
>>>> technology, and that hatred will be its downfall in the cellular
>>>> world.
>>>>
>>> Apple hates open tech? You do know how much they embrace the open
>>> source world... right?
>>
>> Yeah- the wide variety of third party apps available for the iPhone
>> demonstrates it.
>
> I do not know how many apps exist for other cell phones, but looking
> for iPhone apps - a new face in the arena - I can easily find
> hundreds:
>
> <http://www.apple.com/webapps/index_abc.html>
>
> (454 listed there as of right now... )
>
> And keep in mind that is *before* the third party "native" tools have
> been released - though those should be out fairly soon.
>
> What other phone has that many apps? I really do not know... and I bet
> you don't either. :)

The bigger question is how many other phones come with many of those
apps as native to the phone?

>

"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
Xns99FAD437AB795isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 8:51 PM:

>> It is not as though it is a surprise to anyone with any feel for the
>> industry that people are working to copy Apple ... if not an outright
>> copy then to outdo Apple in their focus on the UI. Apple has made UI
>> an issue for the cell phone market - and that *will* change the
>> industry.
>
> But, to date, no copycats exist- only vaporware. When the Razr was
> released, there were copycat phones on the market the next month. The
> iPhone obviously does not command that level of fear or respect.

Funny how you think the phones people show they *have* via YouTube videos
are merely "vaporware". Do you know what the term means?

....
>>>> Apple hates open tech? You do know how much they embrace the open
>>>> source world... right?
>>>
>>> Yeah- the wide variety of third party apps available for the iPhone
>>> demonstrates it.
>>
>> I do not know how many apps exist for other cell phones, but looking
>> for iPhone apps - a new face in the arena - I can easily find
>> hundreds:
>>
>> <http://www.apple.com/webapps/index_abc.html>
>>
>> (454 listed there as of right now... )
>>
>> And keep in mind that is *before* the third party "native" tools have
>> been released - though those should be out fairly soon.
>>
>> What other phone has that many apps? I really do not know... and I bet
>> you don't either. :)
>
> The bigger question is how many other phones come with many of those
> apps as native to the phone?

You can ask your questions later... the question on the table is how many
other phones have close to 500 apps that *you* can point to. Available now.

We can check, if we want, to see how many of those are open source. :)


--
The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is
generally employed only by small children and large nations. - David
Friedman

Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in
news:C378D020.9C0CA%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com:

> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
> Xns99FAD437AB795isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 8:51 PM:
>
>>> It is not as though it is a surprise to anyone with any feel for the
>>> industry that people are working to copy Apple ... if not an
>>> outright copy then to outdo Apple in their focus on the UI. Apple
>>> has made UI an issue for the cell phone market - and that *will*
>>> change the industry.
>>
>> But, to date, no copycats exist- only vaporware. When the Razr was
>> released, there were copycat phones on the market the next month.
>> The iPhone obviously does not command that level of fear or respect.
>
> Funny how you think the phones people show they *have* via YouTube
> videos are merely "vaporware". Do you know what the term means?

Provide me with a link to a phone I can purchase that is a copycat of
the iPhone.

>
> ...
>>>>> Apple hates open tech? You do know how much they embrace the open
>>>>> source world... right?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah- the wide variety of third party apps available for the iPhone
>>>> demonstrates it.
>>>
>>> I do not know how many apps exist for other cell phones, but looking
>>> for iPhone apps - a new face in the arena - I can easily find
>>> hundreds:
>>>
>>> <http://www.apple.com/webapps/index_abc.html>
>>>
>>> (454 listed there as of right now... )
>>>
>>> And keep in mind that is *before* the third party "native" tools
>>> have been released - though those should be out fairly soon.
>>>
>>> What other phone has that many apps? I really do not know... and I
>>> bet you don't either. :)
>>
>> The bigger question is how many other phones come with many of those
>> apps as native to the phone?
>
> You can ask your questions later... the question on the table is how
> many other phones have close to 500 apps that *you* can point to.
> Available now.

Other phones don't require that many- they are native to the phone.

>
> We can check, if we want, to see how many of those are open source.

Please do.


> :)
>
>

"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
Xns99FAD822BAB28isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 9:14 PM:

> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in
> news:C378D020.9C0CA%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com:
>
>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>> Xns99FAD437AB795isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 8:51 PM:
>>
>>>> It is not as though it is a surprise to anyone with any feel for the
>>>> industry that people are working to copy Apple ... if not an
>>>> outright copy then to outdo Apple in their focus on the UI. Apple
>>>> has made UI an issue for the cell phone market - and that *will*
>>>> change the industry.
>>>
>>> But, to date, no copycats exist- only vaporware. When the Razr was
>>> released, there were copycat phones on the market the next month.
>>> The iPhone obviously does not command that level of fear or respect.
>>
>> Funny how you think the phones people show they *have* via YouTube
>> videos are merely "vaporware". Do you know what the term means?
>
> Provide me with a link to a phone I can purchase that is a copycat of
> the iPhone.

While that might serve as an interesting diversion, let us first acknowledge
that your use of the term "vaporware" was incorrect, being that at least
some of the very products you called "vaporware" clearly *are* in the hands
of users.

....
>>>> What other phone has that many apps? I really do not know... and I
>>>> bet you don't either. :)
>>>
>>> The bigger question is how many other phones come with many of those
>>> apps as native to the phone?
>>
>> You can ask your questions later... the question on the table is how
>> many other phones have close to 500 apps that *you* can point to.
>> Available now.
>
> Other phones don't require that many- they are native to the phone.

Another interesting change of topic from you - but clearly you cannot find a
phone with close to 500 apps. The iPhone, at least based on the information
you and I have provided, has *more* apps than any other phone... and that is
*before* it has been opened. That is damned impressive, eh?

>> We can check, if we want, to see how many of those are open source.
>
> Please do.

Notice I said "we". Feel free to start. :)



--
The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is
generally employed only by small children and large nations. - David
Friedman

Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in
news:C378D2B9.9C0D8%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com:

> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
> Xns99FAD822BAB28isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 9:14 PM:
>
>> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in
>> news:C378D020.9C0CA%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com:
>>
>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>>> Xns99FAD437AB795isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 8:51 PM:
>>>
>>>>> It is not as though it is a surprise to anyone with any feel for
>>>>> the industry that people are working to copy Apple ... if not an
>>>>> outright copy then to outdo Apple in their focus on the UI. Apple
>>>>> has made UI an issue for the cell phone market - and that *will*
>>>>> change the industry.
>>>>
>>>> But, to date, no copycats exist- only vaporware. When the Razr was
>>>> released, there were copycat phones on the market the next month.
>>>> The iPhone obviously does not command that level of fear or
>>>> respect.
>>>
>>> Funny how you think the phones people show they *have* via YouTube
>>> videos are merely "vaporware". Do you know what the term means?
>>
>> Provide me with a link to a phone I can purchase that is a copycat of
>> the iPhone.
>
> While that might serve as an interesting diversion, let us first
> acknowledge that your use of the term "vaporware" was incorrect, being
> that at least some of the very products you called "vaporware" clearly
> *are* in the hands of users.

No- product not for sale. Vaporware.

>
> ...
>>>>> What other phone has that many apps? I really do not know... and I
>>>>> bet you don't either. :)
>>>>
>>>> The bigger question is how many other phones come with many of
>>>> those apps as native to the phone?
>>>
>>> You can ask your questions later... the question on the table is how
>>> many other phones have close to 500 apps that *you* can point to.
>>> Available now.
>>
>> Other phones don't require that many- they are native to the phone.
>
> Another interesting change of topic from you - but clearly you cannot
> find a phone with close to 500 apps. The iPhone, at least based on
> the information you and I have provided, has *more* apps than any
> other phone... and that is *before* it has been opened. That is
> damned impressive, eh?


Actually, it's not impressive at all. What you are touting is akin to
buying a really nice looking car, and then having to install the
mirrors, locks, radio, speedomoeter and various other parts of the car
that are standard with every other car on the market. Then, once you
get it home, you realize that they forgot to tell you that the engine
has a governor on it.

You're being an idiot (again) and I am done with you after this post
(again). On second thought, you're not being an idiot- you are one. I
don't have time to play your little games and try to debate a third
grader. Have a nice life, Snot.

<plonk> (again)

"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
Xns99FADB29BCBB4isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 9:32 PM:

> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in
> news:C378D2B9.9C0D8%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com:
>
>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>> Xns99FAD822BAB28isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 9:14 PM:
>>
>>> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in
>>> news:C378D020.9C0CA%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com:
>>>
>>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>>>> Xns99FAD437AB795isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/2/07 8:51 PM:
>>>>
>>>>>> It is not as though it is a surprise to anyone with any feel for
>>>>>> the industry that people are working to copy Apple ... if not an
>>>>>> outright copy then to outdo Apple in their focus on the UI. Apple
>>>>>> has made UI an issue for the cell phone market - and that *will*
>>>>>> change the industry.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, to date, no copycats exist- only vaporware. When the Razr was
>>>>> released, there were copycat phones on the market the next month.
>>>>> The iPhone obviously does not command that level of fear or
>>>>> respect.
>>>>
>>>> Funny how you think the phones people show they *have* via YouTube
>>>> videos are merely "vaporware". Do you know what the term means?
>>>
>>> Provide me with a link to a phone I can purchase that is a copycat of
>>> the iPhone.
>>
>> While that might serve as an interesting diversion, let us first
>> acknowledge that your use of the term "vaporware" was incorrect, being
>> that at least some of the very products you called "vaporware" clearly
>> *are* in the hands of users.
>
> No- product not for sale. Vaporware.

As I noted: I showed you products in people's hands. Did you think they
were given those products and not sold them?

>> ...
>>>>>> What other phone has that many apps? I really do not know... and I
>>>>>> bet you don't either. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> The bigger question is how many other phones come with many of
>>>>> those apps as native to the phone?
>>>>
>>>> You can ask your questions later... the question on the table is how
>>>> many other phones have close to 500 apps that *you* can point to.
>>>> Available now.
>>>
>>> Other phones don't require that many- they are native to the phone.
>>
>> Another interesting change of topic from you - but clearly you cannot
>> find a phone with close to 500 apps. The iPhone, at least based on
>> the information you and I have provided, has *more* apps than any
>> other phone... and that is *before* it has been opened. That is
>> damned impressive, eh?
>
> Actually, it's not impressive at all.

Well, then, point to *any* other phone with that many apps... not that just
a count of apps shows that the apps are the best. Clearly that is not the
case!

> What you are touting is akin to buying a really nice looking car, and then
> having to install the mirrors, locks, radio, speedomoeter and various other
> parts of the car that are standard with every other car on the market. Then,
> once you get it home, you realize that they forgot to tell you that the engine
> has a governor on it.

Ah, then show how those nearly 500 apps' tasks are handled by the other
phones!
>
> You're being an idiot (again) and I am done with you after this post
> (again). On second thought, you're not being an idiot- you are one. I
> don't have time to play your little games and try to debate a third
> grader. Have a nice life, Snot.
>
> <plonk> (again)

Gee, does that mean you will not actually name a phone with as many apps or
features as the iPhone. A shame... I thought you were just on the verge of
doing so. LOL!


--
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing. - Edmund Burke

At 02 Dec 2007 21:23:05 -0700 Snit wrote:


> Another interesting change of topic from you - but clearly you cannot
find a
> phone with close to 500 apps.

According to Handango.com, who distributes Both freeware and commercial
phone software, Blackberries have 2,812 titles available, Symbian OS phones
have 9,299, Palm OS has 10,769, and Windows Mobile has 17,407.


Java (J2ME) apps, which run on most lower end "non-OS" phones, number in
the thousands as well-
http://www.getjar.com/software/Java/Generic lists over 1400 "generic" Java
apps that will run on any Java-enabled phone.

"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> stated in post
fj06ru$4b2$1@aioe.org on 12/2/07 10:10 PM:

> At 02 Dec 2007 21:23:05 -0700 Snit wrote:
>
>
>> Another interesting change of topic from you - but clearly you cannot
> find a
>> phone with close to 500 apps.
>
> According to Handango.com, who distributes Both freeware and commercial
> phone software, Blackberries have 2,812 titles available, Symbian OS phones
> have 9,299, Palm OS has 10,769, and Windows Mobile has 17,407.

Assuming those are accurate numbers then clearly the iPhone is "beaten"
here, though they are also the newcomers.
>
> Java (J2ME) apps, which run on most lower end "non-OS" phones, number in
> the thousands as well-
> http://www.getjar.com/software/Java/Generic lists over 1400 "generic" Java
> apps that will run on any Java-enabled phone.


--
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing. - Edmund Burke