New iPhones to use 3G network

CozmicDebris wrote:
> 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:60d657c2-d4cc-43d6-8633-
> 513e4928370c@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Dec 1, 8:30 am, Ron <ron.cliff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500, ned beaty <hid...@nospam.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The iPhone just got even better!
>>>> http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>>> Not new iPhones. IPhones that may come out late in 2008.
>>>
>>> There is no 3G iPhone you can go buy.
>> You can view a video on YouTube of the iPhone loading faster,
>> displaying faster on EDGE network than a 3G phone. Why, the hardware
>> and fast memory made the difference. The iphone even now on EDGE is
>> better than many crap Smartphones loaded with a carriers bloadtware
>> and crippled on a faster network. That would make many non iPhone
>> owners in a two year contract CRY.
>>
>
> Not even close. Using an accelerator to get to a predetermined site for e
> a demo is hardly impressive.
>
> In real life, the iPhone crawsl along in direct comparision to 3g phones.

Where they're really having a problem is areas of Europe that lack EDGE
(2.5G) because they're running on GPRS in those areas. These areas do
have 3G (WCDMA). These carriers thought they were being smart by jumping
straight from 2G to 3G without bothering with EDGE.

It's critical that the next generation iPhone be deployed in areas with
no EDGE networks as soon as possible, because one of the main reasons
why iPhone sales in Europe haven't met expectation is because of the
lack of 3G on the device. The other reason is the higher cost in Europe.
Sales took off in the U.S. after the price drop from $600 to $400, once
the early adopters all bought at the higher price. In Europe, consumers
took notice of how soon the price came down in the U.S. and are waiting
for a similar event.

CozmicDebris wrote:
> Not even close. Using an accelerator to get to a predetermined site for e
> a demo is hardly impressive.
>
> In real life, the iPhone crawsl along in direct comparision to 3g phones.

A good test of the connection speeds would be to tether both to laptop.

Oh wait...can the iPhone even do that?

DTC wrote:
> CozmicDebris wrote:
>> Not even close. Using an accelerator to get to a predetermined site
>> for e a demo is hardly impressive.
>>
>> In real life, the iPhone crawsl along in direct comparision to 3g phones.
>
> A good test of the connection speeds would be to tether both to laptop.
>
> Oh wait...can the iPhone even do that?

One of the reasons that the monthly pricing for the iPhone is relatively
low compared to the cost for a line on AT&T Wireless plus 3G data
(either tethered or using a 3G access device for USB, CardBus, or
ExpressCard) is precisely because it doesn't do 3G. They had to
differentiate between true 3G data plans, and access on devices like the
iPhone.

Some users have managed to tether their iPhone to their computers to use
the EDGE network, but it's quite a hack to get it to work.

When the 3G iPhone does appear in the U.S., it will likely have higher
monthly rates than the current model, especially if tethering is possible.

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
news:914341cd-1d26-4cb4-bf67-095e8210e5f3@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 17, 8:11 am, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:60d657c2-d4cc-43d6-8633-
>> 513e49283...@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 1, 8:30 am, Ron <ron.cliff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500, ned beaty <hid...@nospam.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >The iPhone just got even better!
>>
>> >> >http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866
>>
>> >> Not new iPhones. IPhones that may come out late in 2008.
>>
>> >> There is no 3G iPhone you can go buy.
>>
>> > You can view a video on YouTube of the iPhone loading faster,
>> > displaying faster on EDGE network than a 3G phone. Why, the
>> > hardware and fast memory made the difference. The iphone even now
>> > on EDGE is better than many crap Smartphones loaded with a carriers
>> > bloadtware and crippled on a faster network. That would make many
>> > non iPhone owners in a two year contract CRY.
>>
>> Not even close. Using an accelerator to get to a predetermined site
>> for e a demo is hardly impressive.
>>
>> In real life, the iPhone crawsl along in direct comparision to 3g
>> phones.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> What you may not know if that many times my Verizon 3g (Yes I have VZ
> 3G too.) falls back to 1RX which is the slower Verizon data line. I am
> quite close to Atlanta or in downtown Atlanta all day long and it
> happens far more frequently then I would like. Verizon's 1 RX outside
> of being butt ugly slow is slower then EDGE. AT&T EDGE is 150% faster
> than VZN 1RX. Therefore the AT&T iPhones often are connected faster
> than my VZN phone which sucks since I am on the faster network with
> the Verizon phone. I also carry Nextel which IMHO sucks even on voice
> in the holes around here.
>

And in my area I never fall back to 2G technology, as in never. My
datacard allows me to use a wireless network to work almost as fast as
at the office and my phone is quite capable of streaming video and
music. If this thread were still going to the Verizon and Sprint
groups, you'd be in a much better position to gause whether your
experience is the norm or the exception.

And what network are they using in Europe?

On 2007-12-17, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
> A good test of the connection speeds would be to tether both to laptop.
>
> Oh wait...can the iPhone even do that?

Yes. It takes a slight bit of work to set up, though.

> You can view a video on YouTube of the iPhone loading faster,
> displaying faster on EDGE network than a 3G phone. Why, the hardware
> and fast memory made the difference. The iphone even now on EDGE is
> better than many crap Smartphones loaded with a carriers bloadtware
> and crippled on a faster network. That would make many non iPhone
> owners in a two year contract CRY.

I guess you're the Slowsky Turtle from the Comcast commerical, my N95-3
breezes alot faster on 3g on a bad day, then an iphone on a good day.

In article <fk999o$bfc$4@aioe.org>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

> At 17 Dec 2007 02:23:52 -0800 4phun wrote:
>
> > You can view a video on YouTube of the iPhone loading faster,
> > displaying faster on EDGE network than a 3G phone.
>
> Sadly, you can't view it on an iPhone... ;-)

I'm watching it now.

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At 18 Dec 2007 17:07:00 -0800 Kurt wrote:


> > Sadly, you can't view it on an iPhone... ;-)
>
> I'm watching it now.

Did it make it to m.youtube.com, or are you using that new transcoder site
that's "free for now?"

"Todd Allcock" wrote:
> At 18 Dec 2007 17:07:00 -0800 Kurt wrote:
>
>
>> > Sadly, you can't view it on an iPhone... ;-)

Strike one...


>>
>> I'm watching it now.
>
> Did it make it to m.youtube.com, or are you using that new transcoder site
> that's "free for now?"
>

Strike two...

WTF? The iPhone doesn't use m.youtube.com and the video in question has been
playable on the iPhone since it was released--even via EDGE. No need for
"that new transcoder site."


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At 19 Dec 2007 03:59:19 -0700 Tinman wrote:

> Strike one...
>
>
> >>
> >> I'm watching it now.
> >
> > Did it make it to m.youtube.com, or are you using that new transcoder
> > site
> > that's "free for now?"
> >
>
> Strike two...
>
> WTF? The iPhone doesn't use m.youtube.com

I realize that, but at the time of the iPhone launch, the videos the iPhone
was able to play roughly tracked the videos available on m.youtube.com. I
just assumed (knowing full well the risks of ASSuming!) that YouTube was
converting their "library" to both formats (iPhone's h.264 and
m.youtube's .3gp) simultaneously.

> and the video in question
> has been playable on the iPhone since it was released--even via EDGE.
> No need for "that new transcoder site."

Interesting- so do you know if YouTube's conversion is complete, or are all
new videos offered in the iPhone's format while older videos are processed
over time?

My apologies to the iPhone, and thanks for the correction.