New iPhones to use 3G network

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's spent
> five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and would have
> made it too bulky and power consuming!

this is old news, apple will use 3G/4G/??, but they are working hard to
fix the current 3G chip design first, then helping AT&T build out the
network if Steve gives the go ahead.

Hard to say what the future of 3G is until that happens. Steve may go
with WiMax or 4G, or something entirely unseen at this point, so the
Cell Companies have to wait on Steve to show his hand until they can
move forward.

Hopefully that will be known Tuesday morning / Jan 15th in San Fran,
this is the same event that totally upstaged CES last year, so it's
going to be an impressive morning.

Only 45 days away...

Are you going?

http://www.macworldexpo.com/

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Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in
news:linuxlovesosx-130B91.22393630112007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:

> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's
>> spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and
>> would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
>
> this is old news, apple will use 3G/4G/??,

You said they would never use 3g.

> but they are working hard
> to fix the current 3G chip design first,

No they're not- a real technology comapny will be providing the chip.

> then helping AT&T build out
> the network if Steve gives the go ahead.

False.

>
> Hard to say what the future of 3G is until that happens. Steve may go
> with WiMax or 4G, or something entirely unseen at this point, so the
> Cell Companies have to wait on Steve to show his hand until they can
> move forward.

Wait a minute- I don't see your free wifi on that list. Are you saying
that wifi will be dead soon?

>

At 30 Nov 2007 16:58:07 -0800 vic.healey wrote:

> Did you see that Verizon is throwing in
> the towel and planing to switch to GSM?


Gee, from your understanding of cellular, I'm guessing you must be another
"pen name" of our pal Oxford.

No, Verizon isn't "switching to GSM." They are planning to use the same 4G
system as Vodaphone, the European GSM carrier that owns 45% of Verizon
Wireless. The goa I assume, will be to allow data/voice interoperability
between future US CDMA 4G phones and European GSM 4G phones, similar to how
current Japanese wireless companies use WCDMA 3G data at 2100MHz on their
non-GSM system, allowing GSM interoperability with GSM 3G phones (at least
on that one band.)

Old news if you read the trades- this plan was leaked by Voda a month or so
ago, IIRC.

At 30 Nov 2007 14:37:39 -0600 Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> It seems they could have set up the iPhone so this sort of change could
be
> done with a software update.


3G requires 3G hardware.

If Apple could do that with a software update, maybe they could also
download a little printer into it, too!

CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> >> Wow! Let's see how Oxford's going to explain a 3G iPhone after he's
> >> spent five months explaining how it was unnecessary (due to WiFi) and
> >> would have made it too bulky and power consuming!
> >
> > this is old news, apple will use 3G/4G/??,
>
> You said they would never use 3g.

yes, not in its current form. it's abundantly clear the current 3G
chipset isn't up to Apple's engineering standards so they can't use it.

> > but they are working hard
> > to fix the current 3G chip design first,
>
> No they're not- a real technology comapny will be providing the chip.

Apple is one of the top engineering firms in the world. Remember when
they had to go into Intel and clean up their design processes? Apple is
the primary master of small electronics in the world. Nobody in the PC
side, MP3 side or Phone side can measure up to their level of skills
with chip design. If 3G is fixable, only Apple has the ability to do it.
If not, 4G or WiMax will be used.

> > then helping AT&T build out
> > the network if Steve gives the go ahead.
>
> False.

You have no clue do you Cozmic, quick talking out your ass and deal with
the facts.

> > Hard to say what the future of 3G is until that happens. Steve may go
> > with WiMax or 4G, or something entirely unseen at this point, so the
> > Cell Companies have to wait on Steve to show his hand until they can
> > move forward.
>
> Wait a minute- I don't see your free wifi on that list. Are you saying
> that wifi will be dead soon?

WiFi remains the primary data access method for iPhone users since it's
around twice as fast as 3G. Stick with facts Cozmic.

In article
<linuxlovesosx-D86DD6.23200530112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:

> > You said they would never use 3g.
>
> yes, not in its current form.

Wait a minute.

Please place the goalposts in one place.

You never qualified it when you said that "Apple will never use 3G".
Therefore, you can't qualify it now.

But Apple is going to use 3G. The cat's out of the bag. And you are
outed as being the ignorant asshole you are.

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:56:37 -0500, ned beaty <hidden@nospam.com>
wrote:

>The iPhone just got even better!
>
>http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...ory?id=3933866


Not new iPhones. IPhones that may come out late in 2008.

There is no 3G iPhone you can go buy.

In article <w074j.1376$CS4.840@fe111.usenetserver.com>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

> No, Verizon isn't "switching to GSM." They are planning to use the same 4G
> system as Vodaphone, the European GSM carrier that owns 45% of Verizon
> Wireless. The goa I assume, will be to allow data/voice interoperability
> between future US CDMA 4G phones and European GSM 4G phones, similar to how
> current Japanese wireless companies use WCDMA 3G data at 2100MHz on their
> non-GSM system, allowing GSM interoperability with GSM 3G phones (at least
> on that one band.)

They are going to LTE for 4G which is the GSM upgrade to 4G, not the US
CDMA upgrade to 4G. You might not want to call it switching to GSM,
maybe evolving to the future GSM would be the way to put it, but in the
end Verizon will be on GSM.

--
Charles

In article
<linuxlovesosx-78704E.07552001122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:

> > > yes, not in its current form.
> >
> > Wait a minute.
> >
> > Please place the goalposts in one place.
>
> the goal posts are solid... i've been quite careful to never say apple
> wouldn't use 3G,

Bullshit.

In article
<linuxlovesosx-78704E.07552001122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:

> > You never qualified it when you said that "Apple will never use 3G".
> > Therefore, you can't qualify it now.
>
> oh, but i can since its well documented that the problems with 3G are
> coverage area & poor battery life. if/when those are resolved, 3G can be
> used in a quality based product.

Battery life and coverage area aren't functions of 3G. They're
functions of the device and of management decisions on deployment.

You said the iPhone would never do 3G. You are now trying to backtrack.

You DO know your words are recorded for posterity, don't you?