New iPhones to use 3G network

"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
Xns99F9C810FCFC0isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/1/07 7:40 PM:

> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in news:b78313b5-ff97-42e1-bb68-
> 952dbcb5732a@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>>> Anybody <anyb...@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
>>>> Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated:
>>>
>>>>>> My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
>>>>>> Wanna try again?
>>>
>>>>> What phone? How big is its screen?
>>>
>>>> And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
>>>> touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
>>>
>>> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
>>> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>>
>> And yet this device lacks a manufacturer's name or model number.
>>
>> Amazing.
>>
>>
>> -hh
>>
>
> It could one of dozens, couldn't it? Why is it so important to know which
> one?

I would be curious to see how it *really* compares. What the iPhone has -
or at least is reported to have - is a UI that is likely going to
revolutionize the industry. This does not imply it has every feature every
other phone has, but when you just list features you show you are missing
the point of the iPhone - it is about usability, *not* a list of features to
brag about. In other words, it is about allowing people to do things - not
just having a device that can do those things if you are willing to put up
with them.

Does the iPhone live up to that hype? I do not know completely - but I will
bet that the UI of the cell phone in 5 years will be closer to the UI the
iPhone now has than to, say, the UI of your unnamed phone.

Of course, if you do not name your phone I can never lose that bet. :)


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In article <C3776C22.9BDB8%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
<CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
> Xns99F9C810FCFC0isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/1/07 7:40 PM:
>
> > -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in news:b78313b5-ff97-42e1-bb68-
> > 952dbcb5732a@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> >
> >> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> >>> Anybody <anyb...@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
> >>>> Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated:
> >>>
> >>>>>> My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
> >>>>>> Wanna try again?
> >>>
> >>>>> What phone? How big is its screen?
> >>>
> >>>> And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
> >>>> touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
> >>>
> >>> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
> >>> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
> >>
> >> And yet this device lacks a manufacturer's name or model number.
> >>
> >> Amazing.
> >>
> >>
> >> -hh
> >>
> >
> > It could one of dozens, couldn't it? Why is it so important to know which
> > one?
>
> I would be curious to see how it *really* compares. What the iPhone has -
> or at least is reported to have - is a UI that is likely going to
> revolutionize the industry. This does not imply it has every feature every
> other phone has, but when you just list features you show you are missing
> the point of the iPhone - it is about usability, *not* a list of features to
> brag about. In other words, it is about allowing people to do things - not
> just having a device that can do those things if you are willing to put up
> with them.
>
> Does the iPhone live up to that hype? I do not know completely - but I will
> bet that the UI of the cell phone in 5 years will be closer to the UI the
> iPhone now has than to, say, the UI of your unnamed phone.
>
> Of course, if you do not name your phone I can never lose that bet. :)

Considering other companies are already coping it, that bet is already
on the way to being won.

Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in
news:021220071558458851%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com:

> In article <C3776C22.9BDB8%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>> Xns99F9C810FCFC0isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/1/07 7:40 PM:
>>
>> > -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in
>> > news:b78313b5-ff97-42e1-bb68-
>> > 952dbcb5732a@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>> >
>> >> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> >>> Anybody <anyb...@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
>> >>>> Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
>> >>>>>> Wanna try again?
>> >>>
>> >>>>> What phone? How big is its screen?
>> >>>
>> >>>> And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a
>> >>>> fully touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G,
>> >>> GPS, a word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>> >>
>> >> And yet this device lacks a manufacturer's name or model number.
>> >>
>> >> Amazing.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -hh
>> >>
>> >
>> > It could one of dozens, couldn't it? Why is it so important to
>> > know which one?
>>
>> I would be curious to see how it *really* compares. What the iPhone
>> has - or at least is reported to have - is a UI that is likely going
>> to revolutionize the industry. This does not imply it has every
>> feature every other phone has, but when you just list features you
>> show you are missing the point of the iPhone - it is about usability,
>> *not* a list of features to brag about. In other words, it is about
>> allowing people to do things - not just having a device that can do
>> those things if you are willing to put up with them.
>>
>> Does the iPhone live up to that hype? I do not know completely - but
>> I will bet that the UI of the cell phone in 5 years will be closer to
>> the UI the iPhone now has than to, say, the UI of your unnamed phone.
>>
>> Of course, if you do not name your phone I can never lose that bet.
>> :)
>
> Considering other companies are already coping it, that bet is already
> on the way to being won.
>

Or, it will be a flash in the pan and once the newness wears off, it
fades into the sunset, just like toouch screen interfaces for computers
did. It looks cool, but it is not something people look for in a
computing or communications product.

In article <Xns99F9C7A2FC019isheforreal@216.196.97.142>, CozmicDebris
<isheforreal> wrote:

> Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in
> news:021220071527577612%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com:
>
> > In article <Xns99F9BA5006B14isheforreal@216.196.97.142>, CozmicDebris
> > <isheforreal> wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in
> >> news:021220071355001019% anybody@anywhere-anytime.com:
> >> >
> >> > Anyone actually doing word processing on a mobile phone is an idiot
> >> > - the screens are simply too small and the "keyboards" too fiddly,
> >>
> >> Not if you need to make quick changes on the fly.
> >
> > I did say basically that further on, although you still have to then
> > re-sync it back to your computer anyway.
>
> No- it goes like this. I receive an email with an attchment that needs to
> be reviewed and ammended. I pull up the attachment, make the necvessary
> changes and send it back out. Because the phone is tied into my corporate
> mail server, the sent item appears on my computer the next time I boot up.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >> > Get a laptop / notebook computer instead.
> >>
> >> Got one. Takes too long to boot up and connect at times.
> >
> > Then leave it in Sleep mode, as long as you remember to "unsleep" it
> > and charge it occasionally. Better yet, get the rumoured new MacBook /
> > sub-MacBook if it becomes a reality - it doesn't have a hard drive. It
> > uses Flash RAM, so should be even faster to boot up.
>
> But I have no need to do so. The laptop serves its purpose as portable
> office, while the phone serves as a mobile connection to the outside world
> that allows me to conduct business until I find the need for my "office."
>
> >
> >
> >
> >> It's also not always attached at the hip like the phone.
> >
> > But does have a decent keyboard and screen.
> >
>
> It's called a trade-off.

OK, whatever. I can see I'm wasting my time with this already. :-\

"Anybody" <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> stated in post
021220071558458851%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com on 12/1/07 7:58 PM:

> In article <C3776C22.9BDB8%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
> <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated in post
>> Xns99F9C810FCFC0isheforreal@216.196.97.142 on 12/1/07 7:40 PM:
>>
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in news:b78313b5-ff97-42e1-bb68-
>>> 952dbcb5732a@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>>>>> Anybody <anyb...@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> stated:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My 3G phone is far from bulky and has very good battery life.
>>>>>>>> Wanna try again?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What phone? How big is its screen?
>>>>>
>>>>>> And, does it run full screen video, proper web browser and a fully
>>>>>> touch-screen interface?? Nope, didn't think so. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I decided I needed functionality, not child's toyys. It has 3G, GPS, a
>>>>> word processor, and seamlessly syncs to my business email.
>>>>
>>>> And yet this device lacks a manufacturer's name or model number.
>>>>
>>>> Amazing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>>
>>> It could one of dozens, couldn't it? Why is it so important to know which
>>> one?
>>
>> I would be curious to see how it *really* compares. What the iPhone has -
>> or at least is reported to have - is a UI that is likely going to
>> revolutionize the industry. This does not imply it has every feature every
>> other phone has, but when you just list features you show you are missing
>> the point of the iPhone - it is about usability, *not* a list of features to
>> brag about. In other words, it is about allowing people to do things - not
>> just having a device that can do those things if you are willing to put up
>> with them.
>>
>> Does the iPhone live up to that hype? I do not know completely - but I will
>> bet that the UI of the cell phone in 5 years will be closer to the UI the
>> iPhone now has than to, say, the UI of your unnamed phone.
>>
>> Of course, if you do not name your phone I can never lose that bet. :)
>
> Considering other companies are already coping it, that bet is already
> on the way to being won.

Well, it *could* be a flash in the pan - and people will go back to the old
way (not accepting the iPhone or copy-cats) or someone will come up with
something even better... though if they do it likely will be from standing
on the shoulder of a giant.

Apple has made UI an issue in the phone market in a way it was not before.
That is a significant contribution no matter how you slice it.


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Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in
news:021220071612358921%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com:

> In article <Xns99F9C7A2FC019isheforreal@216.196.97.142>, CozmicDebris
> <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in
>> news:021220071527577612%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com:
>>
>> > In article <Xns99F9BA5006B14isheforreal@216.196.97.142>,
>> > CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in
>> >> news:021220071355001019% anybody@anywhere-anytime.com:
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone actually doing word processing on a mobile phone is an
>> >> > idiot - the screens are simply too small and the "keyboards" too
>> >> > fiddly,
>> >>
>> >> Not if you need to make quick changes on the fly.
>> >
>> > I did say basically that further on, although you still have to
>> > then re-sync it back to your computer anyway.
>>
>> No- it goes like this. I receive an email with an attchment that
>> needs to be reviewed and ammended. I pull up the attachment, make
>> the necvessary changes and send it back out. Because the phone is
>> tied into my corporate mail server, the sent item appears on my
>> computer the next time I boot up.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> > Get a laptop / notebook computer instead.
>> >>
>> >> Got one. Takes too long to boot up and connect at times.
>> >
>> > Then leave it in Sleep mode, as long as you remember to "unsleep"
>> > it and charge it occasionally. Better yet, get the rumoured new
>> > MacBook / sub-MacBook if it becomes a reality - it doesn't have a
>> > hard drive. It uses Flash RAM, so should be even faster to boot up.
>>
>> But I have no need to do so. The laptop serves its purpose as
>> portable office, while the phone serves as a mobile connection to the
>> outside world that allows me to conduct business until I find the
>> need for my "office."
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> It's also not always attached at the hip like the phone.
>> >
>> > But does have a decent keyboard and screen.
>> >
>>
>> It's called a trade-off.
>
> OK, whatever. I can see I'm wasting my time with this already. :-\


No, please- go on. Tell me how I have erred by having a portable
device, that while not the ideal, presents me with a way of doing
business seamlessly without having to bog myself down with a larger and
clumsier alternative.
>

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:14:34 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnfl3mld.n02.julian@adeed.tele.com>,
> Julian Macassey <julian@tele.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> You really need to go look at the specs for the iPhone.
>> then do get back to us.
>>
>> When you do get back to us, let us know what make and
>> model your phone is and also the carrier, so we can all have a
>> good laugh.
>
> Another Oxford sock puppet.

I am? the things I learn on usenet.


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There they are, a conga line of suckholes on the conservative side
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:18:54 -0600, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in news:021220071355001019%
> anybody@anywhere-anytime.com:
>
>> Get a
>> lsptop / notebook computer instead.
>
> Got one. Takes too long to boot up and connect at times.

If you had a Macbook, booting wouldn't be a problem.
Open the lid and away you go.

Syncs nicely with an iPhone too!

> It's also not always attached at the hip like the phone.

If you do real computer work, rather than posing, you
always keep a computer nearby.

--
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There they are, a conga line of suckholes on the conservative side
of Australian politics. - Mark Latham, Former Australian Labour Leader

Julian Macassey <julian@tele.com> wrote in
news:slrnfl4acd.uj8.julian@adeed.tele.com:

> On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:18:54 -0600, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in news:021220071355001019%
>> anybody@anywhere-anytime.com:
>>
>>> Get a
>>> lsptop / notebook computer instead.
>>
>> Got one. Takes too long to boot up and connect at times.
>
> If you had a Macbook, booting wouldn't be a problem.
> Open the lid and away you go.

It would be just as much of a problem.

>
> Syncs nicely with an iPhone too!

Yippee!!

>
>> It's also not always attached at the hip like the phone.
>
> If you do real computer work, rather than posing, you
> always keep a computer nearby.
>

Where did I say that I didn't?

In article <Xns99F9CD30091D2isheforreal@216.196.97.142>,
CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> Anybody <anybody@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in
> news:021220071558458851%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com:

> > Considering other companies are already coping it, that bet is already
> > on the way to being won.
> >
>
> Or, it will be a flash in the pan and once the newness wears off, it
> fades into the sunset, just like toouch screen interfaces for computers
> did. It looks cool, but it is not something people look for in a
> computing or communications product.

Having a screen-based keyboard allows for a larger screen. A large
screen is more important than text input, on a media player phone.

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