Did Apple just trump AT&T? It appears so...

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:54:26 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
<JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Oxford" <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in message
>news:linuxlovesosx-432F91.12591301122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>> Keep in mind, the iPhone is only one small update away from making EVERY
>> iPhone compatible with VoIP, then simply dropping the old cell network
>> like a hot potato.
>
>Internet tablets such as the Nokia N800 already support VoIP... and I'd defy
>you to find many people who routinely use one who aren't also carrying a cell
>phone. The landscape is certainly set to change in the next, say, five years
>but today for a serious phone user (who cares primarily about reliability and
>not so much about the cost) wirelesss VoIP alone isn't viable.
>
>> Or Jobs could tell AT&T that Apple is investing solely in a DATA network
>> for which it has no voice ambitions.
>
>Anyone would see through that -- once you already have a data *network* in
>place, adding the extensions to support prioritized traffic (needed to get
>decent performance for VoIP) is easy.
>
>

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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:41:09 -0800, "Ness-Net"
<richard.no@more.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>
>"Oxford" <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in message
>news:linuxlovesosx-432F91.12591301122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>
>
>> This rings true of what I've been saying all along, it appears even AT&T
>> is now scared of Apple and its business intentions...
>>
>
>> AT&T needs to be very careful here, Apple is a much stronger company, so
>> they need to play nice or end up like IBM.
>>
>> Apple will be joining Google in
>> bidding.
>
>First - Oxy is quoting a BLOG - another fanboy's OPINION
>Far from fact...
>
>This Oxy insane fantasy that "Apple is a much stronger company" is VERY
>telling
>of just how delusional our nut boy is - anyone that would state this
>obviously isn't
>in touch with reality. Or doesn't have enough brains to look at the
>financials.
>
>Then - as I posted yesterday - Google is NOT going to have partners in the
>bidding.
>
>http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente..._spectrum.html
>
>"Google will file an application to participate in the 700MHz auction on
>Monday, the
>company said in a news release. Google's application will not include any
>partners."
>
>And, unlike Oxy, **I** post information from reliable sources - not some
>fanboy blog...
>Care to verify the story?? Below may help...
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=Googl...e7&rlz=1I7DKUS
>
>
>
>
>

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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:21:39 -0800, "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote:
>Lawyers.
>Contract terms.
>
>"Oxford" <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in message
>news:linuxlovesosx-432F91.12591301122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>> This rings true of what I've been saying all along, it appears even AT&T
>> is now scared of Apple and its business intentions...
>>
>> Keep in mind, the iPhone is only one small update away from making EVERY
>> iPhone compatible with VoIP, then simply dropping the old cell network
>> like a hot potato.
>>
>> AT&T needs to be very careful here, Apple is a much stronger company, so
>> they need to play nice or end up like IBM.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Important Parts Here:
>>
>> What I believe is troubling the relationship between AT&T and Apple is
>> the upcoming auction for 700-MHz wireless spectrum and AT&T's discovery
>> that -- as I have predicted for weeks -- Apple will be joining Google in
>> bidding. AT&T thought its five-year "exclusive" iPhone agreement with
>> Apple would have precluded such a bid, but that just shows how poorly
>> Randall Stephenson understood Steve Jobs. Steve always hurts his friends
>> to see how much they really love him, so AT&T probably should have
>> expected this kind of corporate body blow.
>>
>> To his credit, Stephenson took the dispute to the streets this way,
>> showing he isn't intimidated by Jobs. It was a bold and rare response
>> for big business and was definitely unexpected by Cupertino, which won't
>> underestimate AT&T again.
>>
>> I'm not privy to any inside details here, but there are two ways I can
>> see Jobs rationalizing his auction position and they aren't necessarily
>> exclusive. He could claim to intend the 700-MHz auction participation as
>> a pure investment, just a good use for the $30+ billion Apple has
>> squirreled away.
>>
>> Nah.
>>
>> Or Jobs could tell AT&T that Apple is investing solely in a DATA network
>> for which it has no voice ambitions. Maybe all MacBooks will soon get
>> 700-MHz access cards.
>>
>> This excuse rings truer, but of course it would still be a scam on
>> Steve's part.
>>
>> It would not surprise me at all if this were the case and when the
>> 700-MHz network is finally up and running Jobs claims astonishment that
>> the most popular data application is Voice over IP, a direct competitor
>> to AT&T Wireless. This may be part of the reason why Apple has been so
>> slow approving third-party iPhone applications. Wouldn't your first
>> application be a VoIP client?
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Full Article Here:
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/1uh83
>>
>> -
>
>

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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:56:14 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <C378AE84.9C082%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> > Anyway, Jobs and company saw nothing BUT the GUI, and completely missed
>> > the significance of the network and the printing. COMPLETELY.
>>
>> And yet Apple was very early in the home networking environment (did
>> *anyone* beat them to that... think of the old PhoneNet adapters) and they
>> pretty much created the desktop publishing industry.
>> >
>> > Jobs was so blind, it wasn't funny.
>>
>> Support?
>>
>
>Plenty. Just read the record.
>
>I'm waiting for Oxtard to go back to what he was SPOON-FED and read it.
>
>Oh, wait--you're oxtard, aren't you?
>

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On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 04:25:21 +0000 (UTC), Craig Ian Dewick
<craig@lios.apana.org.au> wrote:
>
>Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> writes:
>
>>This rings true of what I've been saying all along, it appears even AT&T
>>is now scared of Apple and its business intentions...
>
>>Keep in mind, the iPhone is only one small update away from making EVERY
>>iPhone compatible with VoIP, then simply dropping the old cell network
>>like a hot potato.
>
>>AT&T needs to be very careful here, Apple is a much stronger company, so
>>they need to play nice or end up like IBM.
>
>Glad that iphones are still regarded purely as a gimmick here in Australia.
>They're a load of shit.
>
>Craig.
>--
>Craig Dewick - http://lios.apana.org.au/~craig http://jedi.apana.org.au/~craig
> Email to craig.foo@bar.lios.apana.org.au - craig.dewick.foo@bar.gmail.com
> Always striving for a secure long-term future in an insecure short-term world
> Have you exported a crypto system today? Do your bit to undermine the NSA.

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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:14:19 -0800, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
wrote:
>In article <YbadnZcsD5S1YszanZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "Ness-Net" <richard.no@more.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> And, unlike Oxy, **I** post information from reliable sources - not some
>> fanboy blog...
>> Care to verify the story?? Below may help...
>
>And the rest of you mostly counter with other blogs. Go figure.
>
>--
>To reply by email, remove the word "space"

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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:18:21 -0600, "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:
>In news:YbadnZcsD5S1YszanZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@giganews.com ,
>Ness-Net <richard.no@more.damn.spam.nessnet.com>spewed forth:
>> "Oxford" <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in message
>> news:linuxlovesosx-432F91.12591301122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>>
>>
>>> This rings true of what I've been saying all along, it appears even
>>> AT&T is now scared of Apple and its business intentions...
>>>
>>
>>> AT&T needs to be very careful here, Apple is a much stronger
>>> company, so they need to play nice or end up like IBM.
>>>
>>> Apple will be joining Google in
>>> bidding.
>>
>> First - Oxy is quoting a BLOG - another fanboy's OPINION
>> Far from fact...
>>
>> This Oxy insane fantasy that "Apple is a much stronger company" is
>> VERY telling
>> of just how delusional our nut boy is - anyone that would state this
>> obviously isn't
>> in touch with reality. Or doesn't have enough brains to look at the
>> financials.
>>
>> Then - as I posted yesterday - Google is NOT going to have partners
>> in the bidding.
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente..._spectrum.html
>>
>> "Google will file an application to participate in the 700MHz auction
>> on Monday, the
>> company said in a news release. Google's application will not include
>> any partners."
>>
>> And, unlike Oxy, **I** post information from reliable sources - not
>> some fanboy blog...
>> Care to verify the story?? Below may help...
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=Googl...e7&rlz=1I7DKUS
>
>If he's a moron, why do you keep repling to him?
>If people like yourself would stop feeding him, he'd go away.
>Better yet, KF him and you'll never see his stupidity again
>
>

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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:48:36 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
wrote:
>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> stated in post
>elmop-1A461D.20361602122007@nntp1.usenetserver.com on 12/2/07 6:36 PM:
>
>> In article <C378A06B.9C06C%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> After a world wide search going on for nearly 2 months, 24/7 by 1000's
>>>> of people, nobody has come up with the secret you keep.
>>>
>>> He did not want Jobs to see the famous Xerox tour... and would only do so if
>>> under "orders". Atkinson has described that tour as an inspiration and as
>>> something that helped them know they were already on the right track. Jobs
>>> and company understood the importance of the graphical system far better
>>> than did the Xerox management.
>>
>> close.
>>
>> Anyway, Jobs and company saw nothing BUT the GUI, and completely missed
>> the significance of the network and the printing. COMPLETELY.
>
>And yet Apple was very early in the home networking environment (did
>*anyone* beat them to that... think of the old PhoneNet adapters) and they
>pretty much created the desktop publishing industry.
>>
>> Jobs was so blind, it wasn't funny.
>
>Support?
>
>
>--
>What do you call people who are afraid of Santa Claus? Claustrophobic.
>

Oxford wrote:
> Keep in mind, the iPhone is only one small update away from making EVERY
> iPhone compatible with VoIP, then simply dropping the old cell network
> like a hot potato.

Oh yeah...VoIp on a 30 Kbps to 150 Kbps connection.
That has got to rock.

Oh...and don't mention the 3G upgrade. That is NOT going to
be a simple "one small update".

In article <475c9381.2686703@news.individual.net>,
bobmartin479@hotmail.com wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:59:13 -0700, Oxford
> <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:
> >This rings true of what I've been saying all along, it appears even AT&T
> >is now scared of Apple and its business intentions...
>
> Why are you posting this in a Nokia group?

To piss you off.

Gee, looks like it worked.