Office for your pocket!

Ray Goldenberg <ray@lighthousetravel.com> wrote in news:ray-
84D735.10493225122007@nntp1.usenetserver.com:

> In article <Xns9A116BB5D316noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> > I use the free service from LogMeIn.com for remote access from my
>> > WinMo phone. I could use MS' RDS (Remote Desktop Services), but
>> > LogMeIn is much easier to set up behind firewalls and uses port 80,
>> so
>> > it works even behind a port-limited connection like some hotels
>> use.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> So, who are these guys? NOTHING is "free". They usually give you
>> something like this to collect info or log keystrokes. How do you
>> know what they are doing and more importantly, who they are.
>
> Watch that, Larry. The tin foil might have a break in it. Better
check
> your headgear.
>
>

Why would anyone give away something that costs them real money to run?

Doesn't make sense, does it?

Should you trust a Hungarian company enough to let them have remote
control, root, access to your system, your emails, your personal info
stored on your system?

Who, besides you, can logon to THEIR software?

That's crazy!

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

In article <Xns9A1173F25821noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> >> So, who are these guys? NOTHING is "free". They usually give you
> >> something like this to collect info or log keystrokes. How do you
> >> know what they are doing and more importantly, who they are.
> >
> > Watch that, Larry. The tin foil might have a break in it. Better
> check
> > your headgear.
> >
> >
>
> Why would anyone give away something that costs them real money to run?

Did you notice that they're using it as a lure for their pay version?

Larry wrote:

> I'm using rdesktop to run my WinXP boxes by remote control from the
> little N800 tablet. I'm typing on it at a local Arby's over Alltel EVDO
> for this message. rdesktop runs Micro$oft's Remote Desktop on
> XP/NT/VISTA/etc.
>

Why is it that SELLphone use is a great thing as long as it is something
you happen to use it for but everyone else is stupid when they use a
cellphone?

At 25 Dec 2007 15:33:12 +0000 Larry wrote:

> > I use the free service from LogMeIn.com for remote access from my
> > WinMo phone. I could use MS' RDS (Remote Desktop Services), but
> > LogMeIn is much easier to set up behind firewalls and uses port 80,
> so
> > it works even behind a port-limited connection like some hotels
> use.
> >
> >
>
> So, who are these guys? NOTHING is "free". They usually give you
> something like this to collect info or log keystrokes.

Only in your conspiracy-fueled mind. They are a company would provides
this service to business for a subscription fee (like the "GoToMyPC" guys.)
They offer a limited-feature version for free as a "hook" to get you to
buy their paid service. (The free service prevents file transfers like you
do with rdesktop, or I could do with MS' RDS. As a workaround, I just
remotely e-mail myself files.

> How do you
> know what they are doing and more importantly, who they are.


A valid point, but frankly laughable from someone who injects Skype in any
discussion possible. Like with Skype, you have to have a little faith that
the encryption is as tight as they claim. They also claim 3M, AMD and
Raytheon as among their users.

And unlike Skype, at least LogMeIn is headquartered in the US, so I suppose
I could sue them more easily if they stole my data! ;-)

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:n4ccj.479$gt3.148
@fe119.usenetserver.com:

> Like with Skype, you have to have a little faith that
> the encryption is as tight as they claim. They also claim 3M, AMD and
> Raytheon as among their users.
>

Skype encryption, as well as its connection, is DIRECT between the caller
and the callee. Skype's data is 256-bit encryption sent DIRECT, not
through any Skype server, whos only purpose is to serve the IP of the
person you're calling to the Skype in your machine.

Can you imagine how much server it would take to transfer 6,889,283
simultaneous calls through it in encrypted audio? Keep trolling, you're
doing fine.

Direct speech is quite different from something as easy to steal as
keystrokes and data stored in "normal places" for the stealing.....



Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

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On 2007-12-25, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:


> Why would anyone give away something that costs them real money to run?

You've advocated free Wi-Fi. You've talked about leaving your WAP open.
Aside from the liability issues, which we've discussed to death, you have to
pay for your Internet connection, right?

Why would YOU give away something that costs YOU real money to run?


--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol

If you are regularly around anything with a USB port
I got an 8GB flash drive from office depot and use this
From http://portableapps.com/

Convenient
Now you can carry your favorite computer programs along with all of your
bookmarks, settings, email and more with you. Use them on any Windows
computer. All without leaving any personal data behind.




>
> So, who are these guys? NOTHING is "free". They usually give you
> something like this to collect info or log keystrokes. How do you
> know what they are doing and more importantly, who they are.
>
> Larry

Hey larry, check this out, it is totally free, and I use it with my tablet

Free
The Portable Apps SuiteT is free. It contains no spyware. There are no
advertisements. It isn't a limited or trial version. There is no additional
hardware or software to buy. You don't even have to give out your email
address. It's 100% free to use, free to copy and free to share.

"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:5tdcc7F1c4b0tU1@mid.individual.net:

> If you are regularly around anything with a USB port
> I got an 8GB flash drive from office depot and use this
> From http://portableapps.com/
>
>

I know I'm using two 8GB SDHC for storage in this N800 Linux tablet.
The system uses one and the other is setup as "removable" storage.

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?

At 25 Dec 2007 19:59:56 +0000 Larry wrote:

> Skype encryption, as well as its connection, is DIRECT between the caller
> and the callee. Skype's data is 256-bit encryption sent DIRECT, not
> through any Skype server, whos only purpose is to serve the IP of the
> person you're calling to the Skype in your machine.


Except Skype also handles P2P file transfers, and many many connectionscan
be made through your PC when Skype is active. How do you KNOW what Skype
is or isn't silently accessing on your PC? My point is that any service we
use or allow on our PCs carries a security risk that we either accept or
don't depending on our risk tolerance and/or company reputation. How many
people have their contacts and calendar stored with Google or Yahoo?
Business documents atGoogle Docs for easy distribution/sharing.


> Can you imagine how much server it would take to transfer 6,889,283
> simultaneous calls through it in encrypted audio? Keep trolling, you're
> doing fine.

It's not trolling- it's making a point. Everytime I do online banking or a
credit card transaction I'm trusting several companies with data- my ISP,
the end-recipient, Verisign, etc.

> Direct speech is quite different from something as easy to steal as
> keystrokes and data stored in "normal places" for the stealing.....

And again, with Skypes P2P capabilities, the whole thing could be one data-
phishing scam luring suckers with free phonecalls. Of course, I don't
believe that for a minute, but that's a _possibility_ that you or I
wouldn't know unless we decompile the app and slog through the code.

And what about Opera? Their Opera Mini browser for mobile phones runs the
entire web through their servers. They even warn you when you install it
that if you don't trust them, you shouldn't use it.


In the case of LogMeIn, like GoToMyPC, they're in business to sell remote
access to businesses (and have been for several years.) Why would they
jeopardize that business to log a few keystrokes of unsuspecting mobile
users? The minute that was discovered, their done. Is it possible? Sure.
Just like it's possible Google, Opera, or Skype set up their services as
one huge diabolical phishing scheme, but it's pretty unlikely.

Having said that, I've ceetainly NOT used some free server-based services
in my life because something didn't "smell right," but LogMeIn fits within
my risk tolerance.

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:vukcj.2$kK5.0@fe095.usenetserver.com:

> How do you KNOW what Skype
> is or isn't silently accessing on your PC? My point is that any
> service we use or allow on our PCs carries a security risk that we
> either accept or don't depending on our risk tolerance and/or company
> reputation.

OK, ya got me....(c;

My packet sniffing when I'm a supernode shows only connection traffic going
through the system, though.

Larry
--
I found what I wanted for Christmas at Best Buy,
but she wouldn't stop screaming obscenities while
we were scanning her and forcing her into the bag!

How was I s'posed ta know associate girls weren't
on sale?