Breaking Rumor: Apple iPhone goes enterprise on Jan. 21

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.cellular.attws Todd Allcock <elecconnec@americaonline.com> wrote:
>>
>> The upcoming Lotus Notes support is a baby-step in that direction.
>
> People still use that crap?

Heh, I laughed out loud at the fanboys somehow trumpeting this as an
enterprise solution.

At 18 Jan 2008 21:07:38 -0500 Bill Kearney wrote:

> > Regardless, some orizations are, and for Apple it's at leastva step in
the
> > right direction...
>
> Ones that actually use software with spell checkers?
>

Oops! Sorry- I tend to dash off most, if not all, of my usenet babblings
from the QMail client in my Windows Mobile 6 phone (like this post). A
great program, but certainly not as polished or as featured as a desktop
client. It lacks a spell checker, which is only half the problem- after
seven years of using touchscreen-based Windows CE devices I can often peck
the soft keyboard faster than than this phone can process the taps,
resulting in missed letters (like the "gan" in organization!) You'll also
notice a lot of lowercase "v" instead of spaces in my posts- that's just my
bad habit of allowing the stylus to touch down early on the way to the
spacebar! ;-)

(The skipped letters aren't so much a testiment to my great speed at
"typing" with a stylus as much as an indication of how underpowered the HTC
Wizard is with it's pokey 200MHz processor. If it's busy with too many
other tasks, like downloading e-mail while I'm listening to music, screen
input gets really intermittent!)


To clarify my badly written post, I'm not really a fan of either the iPhone
or Lotus Notes- it just seems like this is a small step towards Apple
addressing some of the device's shortcomings for enterprise e-mail.

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Mark Crispin posted:
> I wonder how many enterprises will tolerate
> The iPhone "iPhone" could not be restored. An unknown
> error occurred (2001).
> as the final phase of installation/setup of a new-in-box iPhone (or iPod
> Touch) that happens not to have the latest software (and thus iTunes offers
> to upgrade it).

And now it's two bricks in the same evening. First get "Unknown error
1602" when trying to upgrade, then the silly thing goes into "recovery
mode" and you get "unknown error 2001".

Such fine, enterprise-level quality.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

In article <alpine.OSX.1.00.0801190004170.502@pangtzu.panda.c om>, Mark
Crispin <mrc@Washington.EDU> wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Mark Crispin posted:
> > I wonder how many enterprises will tolerate
> > The iPhone "iPhone" could not be restored. An unknown
> > error occurred (2001).
> > as the final phase of installation/setup of a new-in-box iPhone (or iPod
> > Touch) that happens not to have the latest software (and thus iTunes offers
> > to upgrade it).
>
> And now it's two bricks in the same evening. First get "Unknown error
> 1602" when trying to upgrade, then the silly thing goes into "recovery
> mode" and you get "unknown error 2001".
>
> Such fine, enterprise-level quality.

Readers will note that Mark is claiming his hatred of iPhone made him
buy one.
If you find that believable, he now claims he is having this problem
(just him!) on a new iPhone (new, but without the latest software?).

And he uses that unbelievable story to suggest that enterprise won't
accept it -- a segment of the market that has so much trouble with
high-tech they staff tech support before purchasing, and assume every
business has to accept garbage like malware and hardware/software
conflicts, just because their current system often has those problems.

Mark Crispin isn't being honest or reasonable.

"Mitch" <mitch@hawaii.rr> wrote in message
news:190120081824009753%mitch@hawaii.rr...
>... isn't being honest or reasonable.

But at least he's coherent. You, OTOH, come off like a drunk fool.

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008, Mitch posted:
> Readers will note that Mark is claiming his hatred of iPhone made him
> buy one.

Actually, it wasn't an iPhone, it was an iPod Touch. The iPhone without a
phone.

And yes, the purpose was to go and give the technology a full evaluation
without having retarded fanboys like Mitch in Hawaii claiming that "you
can't rate it fairly because you don't own one."

I refused an iPhone offered to me freely, because I have no need for a
locked 2G GSM phone. I'm quite happy on Verizon's 3G EV-DO cellular
network in the US, and Softbank's 3G UMTS network in Japan. But as the
purpose of the testing was to test the non-phone stuff and I don't care
about toy cameras, now that iPod Touch has the missing applications in the
software upgrade it can be done on that.

> If you find that believable, he now claims he is having this problem
> (just him!) on a new iPhone (new, but without the latest software?).

The bricking was on two successive iPod Touches, which indeed did not have
the latest software and thus needed to be upgraded.

However, a simple Google search, which apparently is beyond the capability
of fanboy Mitch in Hawaii, shows that people have been having this problem
with iPhone too.

Even better, a call to Apple Technical Support included the representative
saying that there have been quite a few of this exact problem lately.
After having me uninstall and reinstall iTunes and Quicktime on the
Macintosh, he stated that the only fix is to take it to a Apple repair
center for repair, but that since I just bought it I should take it back.
I did so (a 50 mile round trip), and the same thing happened to the second
one.

Actually, the Apple representative wasn't quite correct on that last bit.
It turns out that you can fix an iPod Touch or iPhone that has been
bricked in this fashion, so it wasn't really bricked. The fix is, hold on
to your seats boys and girls, to...
USE A WINDOWS MACHINE INSTEAD OF A MACINTOSH!!

Yessiree, iTunes on Macintosh can't do a software upgrade without making
the iToy useless, but iTunes on Windows can.

I contacted one of the people who got his (unhacked) iPhone bricked by the
latest software upgrade, and asked him if he used a Mac. He did; and I
suggested to him that he try it with Windows. Sure enough, that fixed it
for him too.

> And he uses that unbelievable story

Believe it because it happened. And I have the paperwork and digital
photos to prove that it did. And I have a reproducable script to make any
other new-in-box iPod Touch useless using a Macintosh.

If Apple does not believe me, I am willing to go to any of their stores
and show them how it's done. I can then show how to fix it using Windows.

> to suggest that enterprise won't
> accept it -- a segment of the market that has so much trouble with
> high-tech they staff tech support before purchasing, and assume every
> business has to accept garbage like malware and hardware/software
> conflicts, just because their current system often has those problems.

You obviously don't have a clue about what enterprises use.

> Mark Crispin isn't being honest or reasonable.

Sorry that your precious little Jesus device fails to live up to its hype.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008, Bill Kearney posted:
> "Mitch" <mitch@hawaii.rr> wrote in message
> news:190120081824009753%mitch@hawaii.rr...
>> ... isn't being honest or reasonable.
> But at least he's coherent. You, OTOH, come off like a drunk fool.

It was fun, actually, especially when I started Googleing around to find
other victims of the same problem. In the end, the only real waste was
the unnecessary 50 mile round trip to get a second one to break, because
the first one could have been fixed if only I had tried to use the Windows
system to fix it. But I just assumed that it would be better to use a
Macintosh with an iPod.

It did make me feel good to give that hint (to use Windows) to that fellow
who had his iPhone break. It worked for him, and he would have been stuck
otherwise.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

In article <alpine.OSX.1.00.0801201023210.644@pangtzu.panda.c om>, Mark
Crispin <mrc@Washington.EDU> wrote:

> And yes, the purpose was to go and give the technology a full evaluation
> without having retarded fanboys like Mitch in Hawaii claiming that "you
> can't rate it fairly because you don't own one."
Actually, I think I said you can't rate it's useability and design
fairly without giving using it a fair trial. I'm not accepting that
Mark Crispin could ever compare anything without using it; others might
compare features and compare just those usefully. Mark is too motivated
to make unfair generalizations, claims, and comparisons. (And now
namecalling, apparently, is his way to convince you he's more fair.)

> However, a simple Google search, which apparently is beyond the capability
> of fanboy Mitch in Hawaii, shows that people have been having this problem
> with iPhone too.
I didn't claim that no one was having the problem, or that it was with
just one version of the devices. I suggested it wasn't usual.

> And I have a reproducable script to make any
> other new-in-box iPod Touch useless using a Macintosh.
That part is too funny -- as though it would be hard to make almost any
device (especially those running Windows!) useless with a script.

> > to suggest that enterprise won't
> > accept it -- a segment of the market that has so much trouble with
> > high-tech they staff tech support before purchasing, and assume every
> > business has to accept garbage like malware and hardware/software
> > conflicts, just because their current system often has those problems.
>
> You obviously don't have a clue about what enterprises use.
Hah! Has Mark decided that Windows isn't the cause of the horrendous
Windows problems permeating all of business world?
Nope; he decides instead to ignore which platform creates the problems,
and just to claim it is my ignorance of what they use and what problems
they have (without stating where those problems lie, or maybe denying
that business has any computer problems?)

> > Mark Crispin isn't being honest or reasonable.
>
> Sorry that your precious little Jesus device fails to live up to its hype.
Boy, are YOU off-base. _I_ never once claimed that iPhone was such a
device. I stated only that _your_ stupid reasons weren't valid
complaints and criticisms.
I really don't care what device we are discussing -- you just made
stupid arguments against this one.

"Mitch" <mitch@hawaii.rr> stated in post 260120081712294320%mitch@hawaii.rr
on 1/26/08 8:12 PM:

>> However, a simple Google search, which apparently is beyond the capability
>> of fanboy Mitch in Hawaii, shows that people have been having this problem
>> with iPhone too.

> I didn't claim that no one was having the problem, or that it was with
> just one version of the devices. I suggested it wasn't usual.

I have noticed this tactic with the trolls - they hunt down every problem
they can with the iPhone or Leopard or the Mac or Apple in general and then
claim they have had these problems. Over time it becomes clear they are
lying - no reason to think any one person has all those problems, they
cannot describe the problems (sometimes to the extreme of not even being
able to quote or paraphrase error messages they claim to get), and their
stories change over time. They often will have people co-trolling with them
insisting they are right, but, of course, even those people cannot list the
all the problems that were claimed - not even the biggest supporters of the
trolls can keep track of the ever changing and growing lists.

Weird. Just weird. Who do they think they are fooling? People are just
not as dumb as the trolls need them to be in order to fall for such BS.

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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Snit posted:
> I have noticed this tactic with the trolls - they hunt down every problem
> they can with the iPhone or Leopard or the Mac or Apple in general and then
> claim they have had these problems.

There's one little problem with your little fanboy theory:

APPLE TAKES MY REPORT SERIOUSLY.

I am in contact with their engineers. They are *very* interested in
reproducing what I saw.

Apparently, there is a known problem with iTunes; on some hardware
configurations the USB port gets screwed up in the course of
loading/restoring the software onto the iToy and that leads to the
failure.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.