SPRINT = a "meltdown," a "miserable performance" and a "disaster" -shares plunged 25.2 percent

In article <47916887$0$84203$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Of course remember than for data, it's all CDMA, whether it's W-CDMA or
> CDMA-2000. The future is indeed bright for CDMA!

I gather you have not heard of LTE the 4G upgrade.

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On 2008-01-19, John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline

Were you ever a Sprint customer? I was, 2000-2005 for my wife's phone
and 2004-2005 for both phones. The biggest problem at Sprint wasn't the
network.



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On 2008-01-19, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Even with the Sprint subscriber losses, CDMA remains the dominant system
> in North America, with well over 50% of subscribers.

Unless my math is really screwed up that statistic is just wrong. Where
did it come from?

Dennis Ferguson

At 19 Jan 2008 01:00:33 +0000 John Navas wrote:

> Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline, and this will tend to accelerate
> the process, leaving Verizon increasingly isolated on a shrinking CDMA
> island, probably why Verizon shares dropped much more than AT&T shares.

But Sprint's problems have nothing to do with being CDMA. If CDMA is
"declining," it's because Sprint is hemmoraging customers- not the other
way around. If Sprint was GSM, GSM would've lost 650,000 customers instead.


> The bet by AT&T on GSM and 3G looks has been paying off well, and
> beating out Verizon for the iPhone has made it the strongest player in
> the U.S. market.


Which has nothing to do with GSM (or CDMA), either. Other than a few savvy
customers that travel internationally, I doubt 9 out of 10 cellular
customers know or care what technology their carrier uses.

John Navas wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:46:08 -0800 (PST), jgrove24@hotmail.com wrote in
> <6da5f0e5-6cf7-498b-aefc-a73189a886f7@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:
>
>> On Jan 18, 6:38 pm, 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Verizon's shares fell $1.91, or 4.7 percent, to $39. AT&T's shares
>>> fell $1.29, or 3.5 percent, to $36.01.
>
>> HA HA HA, shoulda went with GSM...those Lucifer radio cards should be
>> good for some gold and silver scrap value....JG
>
> Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline, and this will tend to accelerate
> the process, leaving Verizon increasingly isolated on a shrinking CDMA
> island, probably why Verizon shares dropped much more than AT&T shares.
> The bet by AT&T on GSM and 3G looks has been paying off well, and
> beating out Verizon for the iPhone has made it the strongest player in
> the U.S. market.
>
From everything I read the screwup was to buy the toy Nextel
properties. Initially that boosted their subscriber numbers but then
when they started raising the prices and not building out the network
the former nextel customers started fleeing. The walkie talkie thing was
attractive for a while because it gave cheap calling for businesses. Now
that the other carriers have free calling within their networks it has
made the walkie talkie thing much less attractive.

Dennis Ferguson wrote:
> On 2008-01-19, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Even with the Sprint subscriber losses, CDMA remains the dominant system
>> in North America, with well over 50% of subscribers.
>
> Unless my math is really screwed up that statistic is just wrong. Where
> did it come from?
>
> Dennis Ferguson

It was in an article last year. They added up the subscribers from the
major carriers for each technology, Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, AT&T,
T-Mobile, then divided by the total number of customers.

George wrote:

> From everything I read the screwup was to buy the toy Nextel
> properties. Initially that boosted their subscriber numbers but then
> when they started raising the prices and not building out the network
> the former nextel customers started fleeing. The walkie talkie thing was
> attractive for a while because it gave cheap calling for businesses. Now
> that the other carriers have free calling within their networks it has
> made the walkie talkie thing much less attractive.

Some businesses really like the broadcast capability of Nextel. However
the other PTT systems also have it now, and the fact that Nextel is a
couple of second faster is of no consequence in broadcast mode.

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:53:04 GMT, Dennis Ferguson
<dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
<slrnfp37ig.4a.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com>:

>On 2008-01-19, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Even with the Sprint subscriber losses, CDMA remains the dominant system
>> in North America, with well over 50% of subscribers.
>
>Unless my math is really screwed up that statistic is just wrong. Where
>did it come from?

He's wrong, of course, but still desperately clinging to his forecast
that Verizon and Sprint will take over the U.S. market.

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:18:22 -0700, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
<sQhkj.238$Wr4.18@fe101.usenetserver.com>:

>At 19 Jan 2008 01:00:33 +0000 John Navas wrote:
>
>> Yep. CDMA has been in serious decline, and this will tend to accelerate
>> the process, leaving Verizon increasingly isolated on a shrinking CDMA
>> island, probably why Verizon shares dropped much more than AT&T shares.
>
>But Sprint's problems have nothing to do with being CDMA. If CDMA is
>"declining," it's because Sprint is hemmoraging customers- not the other
>way around. If Sprint was GSM, GSM would've lost 650,000 customers instead.

Not necessarily. Rationalizing networks would have been quite a bit
easier with GSM.

>> The bet by AT&T on GSM and 3G looks has been paying off well, and
>> beating out Verizon for the iPhone has made it the strongest player in
>> the U.S. market.
>
>Which has nothing to do with GSM (or CDMA), either. Other than a few savvy
>customers that travel internationally, I doubt 9 out of 10 cellular
>customers know or care what technology their carrier uses.

It's not whether they care, it's the massive advantage from worldwide
use and economies of scale.

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On 2008-01-19, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Dennis Ferguson wrote:
>> On 2008-01-19, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> Even with the Sprint subscriber losses, CDMA remains the dominant system
>>> in North America, with well over 50% of subscribers.
>>
>> Unless my math is really screwed up that statistic is just wrong. Where
>> did it come from?
>>
>> Dennis Ferguson
>
> It was in an article last year. They added up the subscribers from the
> major carriers for each technology, Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, AT&T,
> T-Mobile, then divided by the total number of customers.

Got it. Google came up with this:

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/24950.php

I think it is wrong only because it seems to exclude from the North
American market the part of North America in Mexico. If you add in
the 50 to 60 million Mexican GSM subscribers (depending on how many TDMA
users Telcel still has) and the fewer than 5 million CDMA subscribers
there I think you get a different result.

Dennis Ferguson