In article <fss31c$nbe$1@aioe.org>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> At 31 Mar 2008 10:52:24 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>
> > > I do not use Outlook as a mailer. I use Pegasus Mail, which is also a
> > > POP3 client. Will that make a difference?
> > >
> > I have 3 POP email accounts on my iPhone.
>
>
> This is also probably a good time to suggest to the good Doctor that he
> consider IMAP instead of POP for e-mail, regardless of what smartphone he
> eventually chooses.
>
> IMAP is much easier to deal with when using multiple devices withthe same e-
> mail account(s), since changes made on one device (deletions, marking e-
> mail as read, etc.) are reflected on all devices, eliminating the need the
> deal with the same e-mail twice.
But iPhone is too easy. Maybe other phones... Some email services also
still do not support IMAP.
> > IMAP is much easier to deal with when using multiple devices withthe
same e-
> > mail account(s), since changes made on one device (deletions, marking e-
> > mail as read, etc.) are reflected on all devices, eliminating the need
the
> > deal with the same e-mail twice.
>
> But iPhone is too easy. Maybe other phones...
What does that mean? If you delete a POP e-mail on your iPhone are you
saying the deletion magically propagates to your desktop? A POP e-mail
read on the iPhone is marked read on the desktop? With IMAP, sure (just
like with any other device with IMAP support)- with POP? Nope.
POP is hampered by design- it's from a day when people had one computer and
phones were bolted to walls. You pull the e-mail from the server and can
either leave a copy behind or not. That generally means dealing with the
same e-mails (at least) twice, since mobile devices are usually set to
leave a copy behind so your desktop can access all your e-mail. So, any e-
mails read or deleted on the mobile, are still waiting for you on your
desktop.
With IMAP, if you delete a bunch of e-mails on your phone, they WON'T be
waiting on your desktop to be read (and deleted) again. E-mails read on
the mobile will already be marked read on the desktop. If you use a
variety of desktops, laptops, and mobiles with the same e-mail accounts,
IMAP makes life a lot easier.
> Some email services also
> still do not support IMAP.
True. A perfectly good reason to change e-mail providers, IMO. ;-)
In article <fssks4$iot$1@aioe.org>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> At 31 Mar 2008 19:25:52 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>
> > > IMAP is much easier to deal with when using multiple devices withthe
> same e-
> > > mail account(s), since changes made on one device (deletions, marking e-
> > > mail as read, etc.) are reflected on all devices, eliminating the need
> the
> > > deal with the same e-mail twice.
> >
> > But iPhone is too easy. Maybe other phones...
>
> What does that mean? If you delete a POP e-mail on your iPhone are you
> saying the deletion magically propagates to your desktop? A POP e-mail
> read on the iPhone is marked read on the desktop? With IMAP, sure (just
> like with any other device with IMAP support)- with POP? Nope.
> With IMAP, if you delete a bunch of e-mails on your phone, they WON'T be
> waiting on your desktop to be read (and deleted) again. E-mails read on
> the mobile will already be marked read on the desktop. If you use a
> variety of desktops, laptops, and mobiles with the same e-mail accounts,
> IMAP makes life a lot easier.
>
Not a big amount, but I will agree thjat for some people, this makes
more sense. I need to have most of my emails archived on my main
machine, so this is not an issue. I also have many email accounts. Most
don't go traveling with me.
>What does that mean? If you delete a POP e-mail on your iPhone are you
>saying the deletion magically propagates to your desktop? A POP e-mail
>read on the iPhone is marked read on the desktop? With IMAP, sure (just
>like with any other device with IMAP support)- with POP? Nope.
When I read a piece of POP3 mail, I either save it to a folder or
delete it from the server. Therefore, it is deleted and will not show
up on the phone if I have read it on the computer, or vice versa.
Correct?
Best,
Bob
Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
Neurological Surgery
2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
510-849-2555
"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <lynxer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:17:35 -0600, Todd Allcock
> <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>
>>What does that mean? If you delete a POP e-mail on your iPhone are you
>>saying the deletion magically propagates to your desktop? A POP e-mail
>>read on the iPhone is marked read on the desktop? With IMAP, sure (just
>>like with any other device with IMAP support)- with POP? Nope.
>
> When I read a piece of POP3 mail, I either save it to a folder or
> delete it from the server. Therefore, it is deleted and will not show
> up on the phone if I have read it on the computer, or vice versa.
>
> Correct?
>
>
> Best,
>
> Bob
>
> Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
> Neurological Surgery
> 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
> Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
> 510-849-2555
>
> "Ex Tristitia Virtus"
Depends on which device checks the email first, and if that device is set to
tell your pop3 server to delete the message off the server when checking
that pop3 server.
I've set mine to not delete from my phone. But delete from the home system.
At 01 Apr 2008 19:55:43 -0700 Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
> When I read a piece of POP3 mail, I either save it to a folder or
> delete it from the server. Therefore, it is deleted and will not show
> up on the phone if I have read it on the computer, or vice versa.
>
> Correct?
This explains it better than I ever could: http://www.imap.org/imap.vs.pop.brief.html, but essentially each device
keeps track of what POP mail it's downloaded but no device knows what the
others have done.
(Having said that, however, some "POP" services, like GMail or AOL, don't
follow the POP protocol and therefore don't play by the rules- they just
act like POP services to allow access by POP e-mail clients.)
"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
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> At 01 Apr 2008 19:55:43 -0700 Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>
>> When I read a piece of POP3 mail, I either save it to a folder or
>> delete it from the server. Therefore, it is deleted and will not show
>> up on the phone if I have read it on the computer, or vice versa.
>>
>> Correct?
>
>
> This explains it better than I ever could:
> http://www.imap.org/imap.vs.pop.brief.html, but essentially each device
> keeps track of what POP mail it's downloaded but no device knows what the
> others have done.
>
> (Having said that, however, some "POP" services, like GMail or AOL, don't
> follow the POP protocol and therefore don't play by the rules- they just
> act like POP services to allow access by POP e-mail clients.)
>
>
If you have outlook checking your pop mail and have the setting to leave it
on the server it wont get deleted. Have it checked with it to remove it from
the server and it will. That's why I said it depends on how it's setup in
software and which one checks it 1st.
Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> (Having said that, however, some "POP" services, like GMail or AOL,
> don't follow the POP protocol and therefore don't play by the rules-
> they just act like POP services to allow access by POP e-mail
> clients.)
As an FYI Gmail does IMAP now. I use it to poll and converge all of my POP3
accounts, placing them into proper categories.
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:fsvbfk$5hq$1
@aioe.org:
> At 01 Apr 2008 19:55:43 -0700 Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>
>> When I read a piece of POP3 mail, I either save it to a folder or
>> delete it from the server. Therefore, it is deleted and will not
show
>> up on the phone if I have read it on the computer, or vice versa.
>>
>> Correct?
>
>
> This explains it better than I ever could:
> http://www.imap.org/imap.vs.pop.brief.html, but essentially each
device
> keeps track of what POP mail it's downloaded but no device knows what
the
> others have done.
>
> (Having said that, however, some "POP" services, like GMail or AOL,
don't
> follow the POP protocol and therefore don't play by the rules- they
just
> act like POP services to allow access by POP e-mail clients.)
>
>
>
None of this would be an issue if you boys had a working SSH remote
desktop.
I only use one email client, the one in my office on real broadband. I
access it from this tablet, like I'm doing sending this message, from
anywhere on the planet over remote desktop, either from my N800 Linux
tablet or my laptop.
All storage is done safely on my UPS-backed office system so I only have
one database of traffic to contend with....no syncing, no trying to
figure out where the message went, no losing it over the sellphone
system. When I store it, it's stored right where it should be, in the
office RAID array where it's easy to find.
When you send a file/photo/video to someone, it goes out of the office
system at cable speed, not out of the portable slow as a turtle. If
someone sends me a big file, it takes no space from the portable device
memory to store, and doesn't suck up battery time waiting and waiting
for the slow sellphone downloads to kill the battery. It simply works
better....and the email system at the office downloads every hour so I
have no wait time at all. It's there when I call, large files, huge
pictures and all.
I finally got the interfacing between rdesktop on the Linux tablet and
Remote Desktop on the WinXP-SP2 box working so I can move files between
them over the same link, which is really cool....albeit slow if the link
is sellular, not wifi. The tablet's memory cards now show up in Windows
Explorer when I'm connected over rdesktop just as if it were a USB hard
drive plugged into the hub.
Remote Desktop is the way to fly. Iphone users will even believe you
have WinXP running on the Linux tablet when it's connected....(c; The
look on their faces seeing Google Earth on the tablet is PRICELESS...
There's a feature iPhone could use.....remote desktop!
> None of this would be an issue if you boys had a working SSH remote
> desktop.
This boy does. But why in God's name would I fire up a cumbersome remote
terminal access program just to check e-mail? My phone's e-mail client
grabs e-mail periodically so it's already downloaded and waiting for me
when I want to check it. I guarantee that regardless of how fast you can
make a remote connection, I'll have access faster, since it's ready there.
> I only use one email client, the one in my office on real broadband. I
> access it from this tablet, like I'm doing sending this message, from
> anywhere on the planet over remote desktop, either from my N800 Linux
> tablet or my laptop.
>
> All storage is done safely on my UPS-backed office system so I only have
> one database of traffic to contend with....no syncing, no trying to
> figure out where the message went, no losing it over the sellphone
> system. When I store it, it's stored right where it should be, in the
> office RAID array where it's easy to find.
Or you could just use IMAP, which handles it all for you.
> There's a feature iPhone could use.....remote desktop!
Replacement of PDA and phone
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