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Old July 6th, 2008
Larry
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Default iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in news:ddfr-
8D2B0C.06104506072008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET:

> The text of a book isn't a huge file. A short novel, even in Word, is
> less than a meg.
>
>


I suppose just text will fit. My ebooks are usually technical manuals,
journals, technical books full of drawings and magazines. Magazines are
the worst. A pdf of a magazine is from 15-50MB, easy! National Geographic
is usually around 38MB every month. Email would croak...(c; Some mags like
Scientific American at 5-7MB is doable in email.

No thanks. I'd just rather pop the 16GB SDHC into the USB adapter and let
the file manager copy them all over to one of the big cards marked ELIT. I
don't have time to sit and choose and email like a snail, even on
broadband. Besides, it would eat the battery doing all that downloading.
And, many people, including FruitFone people need to save that 5GB/month
limit for more useful things.



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Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote in news:060720081002547355%fort514
@mac.com:

> Exactly the Nokia tablet is not a phone. It would not suit my

purposes.
> I also want to be able to get e-mail where Wi-Fi is not available.
> Which means cell data. I want a pocket sized device like you describe
> plus one that is an iPod too, so I can dispense carrying that device
> around too. I checked out the Sprint device yesterday and it won't

meet
> my needs. I am sure it will meet the needs of others. It is great

there
> are choices. The iPhone seems to come the closest for me. But I am
> can't say for sure without owning one.
>


His statement about not being able to connect without wifi is not true.
The N8xx tablets all have Bluetooth DUN to connect to your sellphone
data through a capable sellphone. My N800 tethers to a ROKR Z6m on
Alltel EVDO at about 1Mbps for internet on the road. Mounted in its
suction cup windscreen mounting bracket so I can see the various mapping
softwares' picture, it downloads on-the-fly the map tiles for Maemo
Mapper, for instance, over the link. I also listen to one of my fav
internet radio stations on the road using Streamtuner, which feeds the
links for Shoutcast or Xiph to mplayer for radio and TV stations. To
listen to Cowboy music, you must listen to a proper radio station in
Cowboy Country. That'd be KSEY in Seymour, TX, one of the few real
radio station left run by humans, not corporations. www.radioksey.com
give a listen..(c;

Steal your kids portable game player and carry it around all next week.
Every time you want to use a phone, hold it up to your ear opened up as
it's about the size of an iPhone. Now, make the actual call with your
tiny sellphone you're using now. Doesn't that feel better and less
conspicuous than the Gameboy? With a dual-unit setup you have a CHOICE
whether to carry along the computer part....or NOT. If you're going
shopping, for other than FruitFone accessories, you wouldn't, given a
choice, carry the FruitFone. If you're going for groceries, you
wouldn't, given a choice, carry the FruitFone, either. If you're going
anywhere that might endanger the expensive FruitFone with water,
overheating, physical abuse...given the choice....you'd have left it in
the car or at home, such as cleaning out the gutters on that rickety
ladder and getting all dirty. With a normal sellphone, you drop it in
your pocket and don't give it a second thought. It's only $50, after
all. With the FruitFone, N800, expensive Blackberry, WinMo
PDA....you're endangering a MUCH MORE FRAGILE device with water and dirt
and SCRATCHES TO THE SCREEN....and thinking twice about that $600
replacement cost if you bust it. Replacements are NOT going to be $199
when it falls off the ladder onto the driveway being big and kicked out
of your pocket by bumping it against the ladder step. THIS is why I
think the much more intelligent choice is a SEPARATE fragile computer
device and a cheaper sellphone you can replace with a refurb that's not
so fragile tucked away in your back pocket. The two device scenario
just makes more sense. It's not always appropriate to be carrying
around a miniature laptop, no matter how cutesy it is.....because you
MUST have that sellphone for comms....With two devices, you're never
forced to.

You can get email on your sellphone, if it's that important. Read it on
the sellphone and leave it on the server so that it will automatically
download to the tablet when it's more appropriate to use that, after you
come down off the ladder. Y/N messages are still easy from the
sellphone's crappy email client...same as now.

Cut out an exact cardboard replica of the FruitFone and test it for
appropriateness for a week or two and see how sick of being forced to
carry it around in places you wouldn't you get. If you can tolerate it,
great! Buy it. But carrying it around for 10 minutes at ATT is no test
of your meddle to tolerate carrying around a big fragile tablet all the
time just so you can answer the phone. Think, man, THINK!!

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In article <Xns9AD3899C01C66noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> His statement about not being able to connect without wifi is not true.
> The N8xx tablets all have Bluetooth DUN to connect to your sellphone
> data through a capable sellphone. My N800 tethers to a ROKR Z6m on


That is nice but some only want one device. Not two or three. Not a
separate phone, tablet and iPod.

> so fragile tucked away in your back pocket. The two device scenario
> just makes more sense. It's not always appropriate to be carrying
> around a miniature laptop, no matter how cutesy it is.....because you
> MUST have that sellphone for comms....With two devices, you're never
> forced to.


It makes sense to you. I say everyone should choose the scenario which
makes sense to them.

> Cut out an exact cardboard replica of the FruitFone and test it for
> appropriateness for a week or two and see how sick of being forced to
> carry it around in places you wouldn't you get. If you can tolerate it,
> great! Buy it. But carrying it around for 10 minutes at ATT is no test
> of your meddle to tolerate carrying around a big fragile tablet all the
> time just so you can answer the phone. Think, man, THINK!!


If I get an 3G iPhone I will have an actual device to test for 30 days.
I don't need a cardboard replica. As I said I would have no hesitation
returning it if I could not tolerate it. If I get one I will post
about it including if I return it.

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Default iPhone Killer for the CDMA crowd - well at least Sprint

In article <060720081002547355%fort514@mac.com>,
Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <ddfr-8D2B0C.06104506072008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET>, David
> Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
>
> > Which isn't a cell phone and doesn't connect to the web unless you
> > happen to have WiFi access. It's also a little big for the pocket,
> > although not unusably so. What I want is a pocket sized device that
> > combines phone, web appliance, and pda, with the pda used in part for
> > reading and light editing of books--marking things I want to change in
> > my own manuscripts. The iPhone seems pretty good for the first two
> > purposes, although a higher resolution screen and a physical keyboard
> > would be nice, and I was wondering how much of the third could be
> > squeezed into it.

>
> Exactly the Nokia tablet is not a phone. It would not suit my purposes.
> I also want to be able to get e-mail where Wi-Fi is not available.
> Which means cell data. I want a pocket sized device like you describe
> plus one that is an iPod too, so I can dispense carrying that device
> around too. I checked out the Sprint device yesterday and it won't meet
> my needs. I am sure it will meet the needs of others. It is great there
> are choices. The iPhone seems to come the closest for me. But I am
> can't say for sure without owning one.


I have no use for an iPod, which is part of the problem. The iPhone
seems designed as phone, web device, and iPod (now also gps). What I
want is phone, web device, and pda (and gps would be nice as well). So
the iPhone probably fits your requirements better than mine.

A number of phones have been announced, and a couple are even out, that
seem to fit my requirements, but the ones that are out so far have
problems. The Nokia E90 I actually bought, tried, and returned. Its 3G
(as of the time I got it, at least) is on a frequency that no US carrier
supports, and its word processor can only hold one book at a time and
takes ten minutes or so to load a book, making it much inferior to my
9300 from that standpoint. All of them are a bit small in the keyboard
and screen dimensions, save for the HTC Advantage which is probably too
big (but I haven't actually seen one) and uses an odd two piece design
that looks less convenient than a mini-notebook form factor. The iMate
ultimate is one possibility, but the screen is only 2.8." I'm hoping
that when the Android phone eventually appears, one of the versions will
fit my requirements.

Ideally I want something which can fit in my pocket with at least a
640x480 screen, preferably four inches or so diagonally, 3G connection,
decent word processing software and a usable physical keyboard. My old
Psion Revo fits in a pocket and has a surprisingly usable keyboard, but
of course it isn't a cell phone, is obsolete in several ways, and is no
longer on the market or supported.

....

> These groups seem to be full of kooks who hate the iPhone for no
> rational reason, and full of kooks who love it for no rational reason.
> I will ignore them and rely on my own judgement.


Yes.

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Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
Published by Baen, paperback in bookstores now
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In article <Xns9AD37EFBE57CFnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote in news:ddfr-
> 8D2B0C.06104506072008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET:
>
> > The text of a book isn't a huge file. A short novel, even in Word, is
> > less than a meg.
> >
> >

>
> I suppose just text will fit. My ebooks are usually technical manuals,
> journals, technical books full of drawings and magazines. Magazines are
> the worst. A pdf of a magazine is from 15-50MB, easy! National Geographic
> is usually around 38MB every month. Email would croak...(c; Some mags like
> Scientific American at 5-7MB is doable in email.


I don't have any need for graphics in the books I read on my cell phone.

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Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
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