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Old July 9th, 2008, 06:45 PM
Todd Allcock
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At 09 Jul 2008 15:01:08 -0500 ps56k wrote:

> It will be interesting to see if the draw/demand is there, like with the
> first one.



The new lower pricing will assure that.

> My interest was in the Exchange active sync email (push) support,
> but I think I read that it does not work when the link is "https"...

which
> is the normal setup.



I find it hard to believe it won't handle secure Exchange servers, but
we'll see, I guess...

> Also - with respect to GSM vs CDMA -
> It looks like Verizon might be heading away from CDMA EVDO data
> and towards the GSM data world of LTE.


That will allow (future) interoperability with the networks of Verizon's
foreign masters at Vodaphone. It makes perfect sense that carriers would
migrate to a uniform voice/data standard eventually, via system upades,
without having to tear down and replace existing infrastructure.

As to the "CDMA vs. GSM" thing, Verizon won't be "switching" from CDMA to
GSM- LTE will be a 4G data overlay on their current CDMA network, much like
WCDMA (UMTS, GSM's 3G system) was an overlay on the 2G GSM system.
Verizon's LTE will let future 4G international phone owners with the
correct frequency bands roam in the US on Verizon's otherwise incompatible
network the same way some GSM 3G phones with the right bands can roam on
the 3G overlay of Japan's otherwise incompatible CDMA networks.


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In article <alpine.OSX.1.10.0807091112520.1537@pangtzu.panda. com>, Mark
Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:

> > - "According to Apple, the iPhone's G.P.S. antenna is much too small to
> > emulate the turn-by-turn navigation of a G.P.S. unit for a vehicle, for
> > example."

>
> Golly gee, I have that function on my GPS-enabled cell phone, as does just
> about every user of a cell phone in Japan.


tomtom announced their software, and it would be surprising if it
didn't do turn by turn.

> > - No voice dialing, video recording, Bluetooth stereo, MMS

>
> Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.


three of those have been announced already.

> > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing

>
> Golly gee, I have those functions on my cell phones.


you already pointed those out, and other than the stereo bluetooth,
they exist or will exist.

> > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
> > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
> > older iPhone."

>
> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
> iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.


there are extended batteries available. most people only have one
battery with their cellphones, so in the grand scheme of things, it's
not a big deal that the battery can't be swapped on the fly. of
course, for someone who needs extended periods of battery use, then the
iphone might not be the best choice.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 07:16 PM
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David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote in news:davmoy-79F964.22525308072008
@news.qwest.net:

> And Friday is the iPhoneûs second coming.
>
>


A truer statement was never posted to Usenet....

a religious event over a piece of electronic shit.

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Old July 9th, 2008, 08:41 PM
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:26:44 -0700, Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:

>
>Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
>3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
>lasts longer in 3G.


I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post,
but I'd like to ask about your phone.

I ask because I'm taking the iPhone seriously, but I'm not an
Apple fan or anything like that. I'm taking it seriously because it is
the only phone available to me here in NYC, to the best of my
knowledge, that will finally allow me to access and input data in
Japanese.

I've been investigating Palm, Win Mob, RIM devices for ages
now, and it's been totally frustrating.

May I ask both where you're posting from and what
instrument/network you're using?

DGI

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Old July 9th, 2008, 09:48 PM
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In article <FcqdnUegE8NdK-nVnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@comcast.com>,
george@nospam.invalid says...
> David Moyer wrote:
> > In article <MPG.22de5c42e44d68b989841@news.individual.net>,
> > Jim Mason <jim.mason@removethisukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
> >> Why do you think this is relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?

> >
> > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

>
> You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
> by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
> they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.


Are these morons `paid` by Apple?
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Old July 9th, 2008, 11:33 PM
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Jim Mason <jim.mason@removethisukonline.co.uk> wrote in
news:MPG.22df5f1170e69301989844@news.individual.ne t:

> Are these morons `paid` by Apple?
>
>


That continues to remain unclear. They certainly SEEM like Apple
employees....never a discouraging word, never pointing out its flaws and
omissions.

......and ALWAYS defending Apple at any cost.

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Old July 9th, 2008, 11:33 PM
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, David G. Imber posted:
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:26:44 -0700, Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:
>> Golly gee, my Japanese 3G phone doesn't drain "much more quickly" using
>> 3G. 3G is only about a 25% hit over GSM for talk time. In standby, it
>> lasts longer in 3G.

> I realize that you've got other stuff going on in your post,
> but I'd like to ask about your phone.


Check out the Japanese Phone section of howardforums and you'll find lots
of people talking about keitais (phones from Japan). Probably lots more
than you ever wanted to know.

You can certainly get access and input data in Japanese on a Windows
Mobile phone; it's just a matter of software.

One of my keitais is a SoftBank X01HT (basically, an HTC Hermes branded
for SoftBank). After unlocking it, I used it with my Verizon SIM (yes,
there is such a thing!) to roam in Japan as a Verizon user. [Of course, I
also used domestic service in Japan -- nobody in their right mind pays
$2.50/minute roaming charges for routine calls!]

Later on, I got tired of the Japanese-only OS. The only thing worse that
Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese; I can
read it and in fact still have the Japanese OS on my laptop, but I don't
want to deal with Microsoft-perverted Japanese on a phone!

To fix that, I found xda-developers.com to be an invaluable resource
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index...ame=HTC_Hermes
and especially
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298919
which not only details how to change a Japanese OS WM device into English
OS (and WM6), it also discusses how to add Japanese support to the English
OS (which is what you want).

Following those instructions, I ended up with a Japanese WM device that
talks to me in English, but is still quite capable of handling Japanese
text.

Many of SoftBank's and NTT DoCoMo's models are bilingual Japanese/English,
and there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay. If you don't
need anything fancy and just want Japanese support, I suggest getting one
of the basic models such as an 812SH.

However, if you need 3G in the USA, you probably will have to get a
Windows Mobile device since most of the non-WM keitais are 3G in the 2100
band and GSM-only in the US bands.

Be sure that it is unlockable in software. This is the case on the
Windows Mobile devices, but many other keitais require you to use a
HyperSIM which is at best a half-solution. Read the threads on
howardforums to learn all about HyperSIM & such.

The iPhone will give you Japanese language capability out of the box
without playing games, so it may be a good choice for you if you don't
feel like hacking.

I can't give you much advice about using Japanese with Blackberry, at
least not yet.

You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone. If you want a
full-featured smartphone, go with WM. If you want a basic phone, consider
one of the keitais.

I would wait awhile before trying to use an iPhone in heavy-duty
enterprise type applications. They did add Exchange support in 2.0, but
the Mail client is still not quite up to speed. Maybe 3.0 or 4.0 will be
better. RIM is, and will remain for some time, the 500 pound gorilla in
this sector. Note that RIM has a Blackberry application for Windows
Mobile, so if you are in an office that standardized on Blackberry, you
can get a WM keitai and install the Blackberry service on it and be good
to go.

> May I ask both where you're posting from and what
> instrument/network you're using?


Right now, I'm in the Seattle area. I am also to be found at times in
rural Alaska or Japan.

I use Verizon in Seattle (with a Motorola Z6C dual CDMA/GSM world phone),
and AT&T in Alaska (with the X01HT). When I'm in Japan, I use the X01HT
with my Verizon SIM to roam with my US service, and a regular keitai with
domestic service.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 11:33 PM
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Larry posted:
> Jim Mason <jim.mason@removethisukonline.co.uk> wrote in
>> Are these morons `paid` by Apple?

> That continues to remain unclear. They certainly SEEM like Apple
> employees....never a discouraging word, never pointing out its flaws and
> omissions.
> .....and ALWAYS defending Apple at any cost.


I doubt that they work for Apple. Their behavior discredits them, Apple,
and the Apple products that they shill. Apple tries to live down its
fanboy reputation; and would muzzle, or more likely dismiss, them if they
were identified as employees.

Apple employees (I know several) have to drink the Kool-Aid as a condition
of employment, but not even the Kool-Aid turns them into fanboys. The
more serious problem at Apple is extreme insularity.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 11:33 PM
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Mark Crispin <mrc@Panda.COM> wrote:

> > - "started receiving low battery warnings toward the end of a busy work
> > day; I found myself charging the device overnight, the same as with the
> > older iPhone."

>
> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended battery on
> iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.


sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.

http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html

or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.

http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack

geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.
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On Jul 9, 9:01*am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> David Moyer wrote:
> > In article <MPG.22de5c42e44d68b989...@news.individual.net>,
> > *Jim Mason <jim.ma...@removethisukonline.co.uk> wrote:

>
> >>> Just posted - The very first reviews of the new iPhon
> >> Why do you think this is *relevant to alt.cellular.nokia?

>
> > proly cuz lots of nokia users are interested in the iphone, that's why.

>
> You just don't understand. The fanbois whose entire existence is defined
> by an electronic device think it is so important (in their minds) that
> they need to "convert" everyone else even if they could care less.


If you do not caare for the iPhone have enough maturity to ignore it
and move on without wasting everyones else's time with comments like
the above when there are those who are looking for information and
appreciate posts on iPhone 3G developments. Another words GET A LIFE.

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