BlackBerry pushed out at AT&T for iPhone?

Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:

> > this is old news, and good to have in case something goes wrong with an
> > app. Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
> > relax.
>
> Their definition of "needed" probably doesn't coincide with everyone
> elses.

no, Apple is very much based on karma, so if a harmful trojan type of
app is found, it can be turned off. Everyone benefits that way.

> I.e. this app is helping people too much, zap.

no, Apple does operate like that. Sounds like you don't yet use Apple
products.

Mike Hofman wrote on [Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:34:43 -0600]:
> "Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>> > relax.
>>
>> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break the
>> phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.
>
> when has that ever happened? answer: never

Mac News: Mac Apps: Mozilla Chief: Safari Push Borders on Malware
Tactics
"This scenario may seem innocuous enough until it comes to light that
Windows operating system users who didn't have any version of Safari
already installed got the pre-checked option to install it anyway. It
all happened through a program that's presumably all about software
updates and not about installing brand-new applications."
http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/62269.html

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:45:58 -0500, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
wrote:

>Mike Hofman wrote on [Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:34:43 -0600]:
>> "Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>>> > relax.
>>>
>>> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break the
>>> phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.
>>
>> when has that ever happened? answer: never
>
>Mac News: Mac Apps: Mozilla Chief: Safari Push Borders on Malware
>Tactics
>"This scenario may seem innocuous enough until it comes to light that
>Windows operating system users who didn't have any version of Safari
>already installed got the pre-checked option to install it anyway. It
>all happened through a program that's presumably all about software
>updates and not about installing brand-new applications."
>http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/62269.html
>

This is an old story, and Apple has already backed off of delivering
Safari that way.

However, Yahoo, Google, and Ask deliver Browser toolbar modifactions
the same way still to this day.

Ron wrote on [Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:27:16 -0500]:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:45:58 -0500, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Mike Hofman wrote on [Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:34:43 -0600]:
>>> "Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>>>> > relax.
>>>>
>>>> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break the
>>>> phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.
>>>
>>> when has that ever happened? answer: never
>>
>>Mac News: Mac Apps: Mozilla Chief: Safari Push Borders on Malware
>>Tactics
>>"This scenario may seem innocuous enough until it comes to light that
>>Windows operating system users who didn't have any version of Safari
>>already installed got the pre-checked option to install it anyway. It
>>all happened through a program that's presumably all about software
>>updates and not about installing brand-new applications."
>>http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/62269.html
>>
>
> This is an old story, and Apple has already backed off of delivering
> Safari that way.

No, they haven't. I am still getting prompts to install it.

However old the story us, it's still refuting the "never" claim made
above.

Also, 3 months is pretty damn recent.

> However, Yahoo, Google, and Ask deliver Browser toolbar modifactions
> the same way still to this day.

Oh, really? Name a software update tool that automatically runs that
does this?

Bill Kearney wrote:
>> Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>> relax.
>
> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break
> the phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.

Just like they did with the original iPhone to brick the ones that were
unlocked. It's like buying a computer with its own built in malware
generator.

Ness-Net wrote:
> NEW YORK (Reuters) - For the first time Research In Motion Ltd's
> BlackBerry cornered 10 percent of U.S. cell phone sales in the second
> quarter in a market that grew more than 5 percent
> The research firm said Canada's RIM was seeing huge success with both
> consumer and enterprise handsets in the United states where total mobile
> phone shipments rose 5.3 percent to 41.9 million units from 39.8 million
> in the second quarter of 2007

The Blackberry serves both the consumer and enterprise markets, while
the iPhone isn't usable by most enterprises due to its limited
application suite. The most used Blackberry applications by corporate
users are either completely unavailable on the iPhone, or are much
poorer implementations of those applications. However Apple isn't likely
to keep it this way forever. The next generation iPhone will probably
rectify these problems,

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:yq_nk.21207$N87.3543
@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:

> The next generation iPhone will probably
> rectify these problems,
>

It'll come with Netshare installed?

Not likely....not if ATT has their way....

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:08:27 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>Bill Kearney wrote:
>>> Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>>> relax.
>>
>> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break
>> the phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.
>
>Just like they did with the original iPhone to brick the ones that were
>unlocked. It's like buying a computer with its own built in malware
>generator.


Like Windows Vista that locks up if it doesnt like your key code?

Or Adobe apps that phone home with spyware?


If you're silly enough to hack the iphone, and then download an update
its on you, not Apple.

On 2008-08-11, Mike Hofman <info@recreate68.org> wrote:
> "Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>> > relax.
>>
>> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break the
>> phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.
>
> when has that ever happened? answer: never

That's a lie.

I have only *EVER* wanted QuickTime on the computers I own, but for a while,
you could not install it without also installing iTunes.

Fortunately, AAPL fixed that problem.

--
Steve Sobol / Victorville, CA, USA
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.

Ron wrote on [Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:03:51 -0500]:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:08:27 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Bill Kearney wrote:
>>>> Apple isn't the type of company to ever use it unless needed, so
>>>> relax.
>>>
>>> No, just the kind of company to release firmware "updates" that break
>>> the phone. Or unwanted desktop software. No thanks.
>>
>>Just like they did with the original iPhone to brick the ones that were
>>unlocked. It's like buying a computer with its own built in malware
>>generator.
>
>
> Like Windows Vista that locks up if it doesnt like your key code?

Vista doesn't lock up if it doesn't like your code. If you download the
update.

> Or Adobe apps that phone home with spyware?
>
>
> If you're silly enough to hack the iphone, and then download an update
> its on you, not Apple.