More Droid love from real users

nospam wrote:
> In article <hefbcb$u2g$1@posting2.glorb.com>, WindsorFox
> <windsor.fox.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OMG! Are you a complete idiot? "Oh I choose a closed 16 or 32GB
>> instead of an SD card that would give me an infinite amount of memory
>> space because some moron might be capable of losing it." Yeah, that's a
>> solid piece of advice. I used a Moto L7 for a couple of years and never
>> lost the card, and it was easily accessable, unlike the one on the Droid.
>
> most users don't fill 16 gig, why would they care to have an infinite
> amount of storage?

Bragging rights? <evil grin>

Android is Easy

I have been hacking electronics for a little over twenty five years to
make radios, computers and such do things they were not designed to
do.

That is how I go to be known as xxxxx as I did it just for fun, to see
if it could be done.

Did you know Steve Jobs, head of Apple hacked phones as a youth just
to screw with Ma Bell?

Today people who hack devices are often doing it not for fun but for
profit. Criminal organizations have seized on the idea and hack
everything from electronic card readers to you name it including your
'smartphone'.

Fifteen years ago I stopped sharing my knowledge as I didn't want to
be guilty of assisting with what were now bad people doing bad
things.

Today these criminals steal or change electronic data that can ruin
your life, your identity, and your financial accounts. Now they do not
even need to be smart to do it. I now see scum bags who have been
arrested that look like intercity drug dealers who probably have never
even graduated from high school doing sophisticated things. It is
possible that they may have learned the details in prison in what is a
different type of advanced schooling for some.

Detailed helpful information can be found in various corners of the
Internet for any target you choose. You just need to know where to
look. In some cases it helps a lot if you can read languages other
than English.

__

Now that brings me to my current hobby topic the Android and its many
variations. As a phone it is easy, very easy. That is why in good
consciousness I can never recommend it to any of my friends.

I use the iPhone for the very reason it is not easy for outsiders to
hack as it is sold by Apple. Its functions are locked up tight as if
in a jail. Official apps sold or given away by the Apple App store are
in Apple's iPhone jail too.

There is widespread knowledge and scripts available on the Internet to
make it easy to jailbreak the iPhone. But there is no need with
110,000 apps to download to do that. Jail breaking the iPhone also
opens it up to the criminal element. One reason many jail break the
iPhone is that they can run pirated commercial software on a jail
broken phone. Another reason some got into the habit of jail breaking
an iPhone as to add missing functions. Apple has since added these in
various OS firmware updates. And the last and biggest reason for some
was they wanted mufti-tasking so they could have instant text
messages.

That last reason has been addressed with out needing power eating
background message applications multitasking by Apple's inclusion of
Push Notifications that arrive and display even when the phone screen
is off. I do not like to see so many of them when playing my favorite
game on the iPhone so I do not know if that was a good move or not. I
recently deleted one app for too many of them and turned that feature
off in the settings of others.

Jail broken iPhones have been the target of a couple of worms this
month. One was from the evil 'we steal people'. The thieves made use
of a well known password which enable remote root access and were able
to gather user bank data over the cellular network in Europe. The worm
needed phones it wanted to infect to be on the same WiFi network at
the same time to pass itself on. It is sort of like a venereal disease
and how it is passed by easy girls.

Which brings me back again to the Android. Every single Android device
is like a jail broken iPhone. That is the way they are designed. :>) I
can think of so many different ways to screw with an Android it is not
funny. Stealing Android apps can be accomplished by changing a certain
byte in any Android application. What was Google thinking? Could this
be a key reason commercial firms have backed off from porting their
bread an butter to Android after seeing unreasonably low sales?

Well what about the 'we steal people'? IN SPADES! Any criminal can
introduce a legitimate looking Android application what will upload
every bit of your personal data across the cellular network to his
Internet account. That is why I will not recommend the Android to
anyone who I really care about.

Android is easy, too easy.

"Droid Does have 'a fee for that':$3 monthly for Visual Voice Mail"
<vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:022a10c5-77ac-4c36-ab50-
1bf48b149a6f@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:

> Did you know Steve Jobs, head of Apple hacked phones as a youth just
> to screw with Ma Bell?
>
>

They were boxes of various codename colors. Steve had a Bluebox, used
in phone booths making your call untraceable to you. If you unscrewed
the microphone cover off the handset, you grounded the mic pin to the
case of the payphone to get a dialtone without paying. Now you dialed a
long distance number and quickly reassembled the mic so it could hear
your bluebox's special tones (DTMF are different frequencies than
Touchtones but operate the same way). When you hear the 2nd "click" of
the "tandems", the long lines stations, connecting you pressed a button
that generated I think it was 1700 Hz into the phone mic. The 2nd
tandem thought the first tandem hung up on it and stopped calling who it
was calling. The circuit remained open because your local CO had no
decode of that tone and the first tandem didn't comprehend tandem
control tones coming from a CO...couldn't happen.

The world is now at your fingertips as you DTMF'd the new country code,
area code, phone number into your bluebox keypad. Tandem 2 had already
"cancelled" the call, so the accounting system said the call had
terminated without connect (or charge). After that, no more billing was
done. Tandem 2, however, still responded to your tones, passing the
call along the proper route to as many tandems as necessary between you
and the Melbourne Australia spoken weather service, one of our favorite
demo calls....(c;]

It's all gone, now. Digital replaced this analog system of audio tones
on wires....but, of course, Bell System CONTINUED to CHARGE the same
RATES for a "Long Distance" call as if the old tandem system still
existed....even though on digital it cost the company the same money to
call Australia as it does to call the house across the street your
girlfriend lives in. Long Distance has been a Ma Bell/ATT ripoff since
the 1980s. A new ripoff industry was created by the FCC in
"deregulation". Vast companies sprung up to share in MaBell's long
distance game...simply charging you to complete the digital call out of
town at amazing profit margins....even if they were charging 5c/min.

The game continues on landline. Don't feel sorry for them for the
bluebox calls. One of my 2nd cousins worked at a Long Lines tandem.
Each Christmas eve, he would be at the tandem and call the entire family
into a huge megaconference around the country so everyone could wish
everyone a merry xmas and swap stories for hours at Ma Bell's expense.
Family reunions were better. Telephone conferencing doesn't have 8
tables of home cooked FOOD for us kids to gorge on....(c;]

Thanks for the memories, Vic. Building the boxes was great fun....even
for Steve, I'm sure. Did Woz do it, too?


--
Larry

On Nov 24, 5:17*pm, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> "Droid Does have 'a fee for that':$3 monthly for Visual Voice Mail"
> <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:022a10c5-77ac-4c36-ab50-
> 1bf48b149...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Did you know Steve Jobs, head of Apple hacked phones as a youth just
> > to screw with Ma Bell?
>
> They were boxes of various codename colors. *Steve had a Bluebox, used
> in phone booths making your call untraceable to you. *If you unscrewed
> the microphone cover off the handset, you grounded the mic pin to the
> case of the payphone to get a dialtone without paying. *Now you dialed a
> long distance number and quickly reassembled the mic so it could hear
> your bluebox's special tones (DTMF are different frequencies than
> Touchtones but operate the same way). *When you hear the 2nd "click" of
> the "tandems", the long lines stations, connecting you pressed a button
> that generated I think it was 1700 Hz into the phone mic. *The 2nd
> tandem thought the first tandem hung up on it and stopped calling who it
> was calling. *The circuit remained open because your local CO had no
> decode of that tone and the first tandem didn't comprehend tandem
> control tones coming from a CO...couldn't happen.
>
> The world is now at your fingertips as you DTMF'd the new country code,
> area code, phone number into your bluebox keypad. *Tandem 2 had already
> "cancelled" the call, so the accounting system said the call had
> terminated without connect (or charge). *After that, no more billing was
> done. *Tandem 2, however, still responded to your tones, passing the
> call along the proper route to as many tandems as necessary between you
> and the Melbourne Australia spoken weather service, one of our favorite
> demo calls....(c;]
>
> It's all gone, now. *Digital replaced this analog system of audio tones
> on wires....but, of course, Bell System CONTINUED to CHARGE the same
> RATES for a "Long Distance" call as if the old tandem system still
> existed....even though on digital it cost the company the same money to
> call Australia as it does to call the house across the street your
> girlfriend lives in. *Long Distance has been a Ma Bell/ATT ripoff since
> the 1980s. *A new ripoff industry was created by the FCC in
> "deregulation". *Vast companies sprung up to share in MaBell's long
> distance game...simply charging you to complete the digital call out of
> town at amazing profit margins....even if they were charging 5c/min.
>
> The game continues on landline. *Don't feel sorry for them for the
> bluebox calls. *One of my 2nd cousins worked at a Long Lines tandem. *
> Each Christmas eve, he would be at the tandem and call the entire family
> into a huge megaconference around the country so everyone could wish
> everyone a merry xmas and swap stories for hours at Ma Bell's expense. *
> Family reunions were better. *Telephone conferencing doesn't have 8
> tables of home cooked FOOD for us kids to gorge on....(c;]
>
> Thanks for the memories, Vic. *Building the boxes was great fun....even
> for Steve, I'm sure. *Did Woz do it, too?
>
> --
> Larry

Yes Larry

Second I guess it doesn't matter now but you went into too much
detail. You have a good memory!

BTW have you ever gotten a visit from the Feds?

One simple detail you were not clear on was that DTMF are dual tones
mixed (4 low and 4 high mixed in pairs) and they are what is called by
AT&T as Touch-Tone. This combination produces a set of sixteen
different possible tones. Twelve of these are used by POTS.

In article <Xns9CCDAFE0E6D9Enoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:
> > Did you know Steve Jobs, head of Apple hacked phones as a youth just
> > to screw with Ma Bell?
>
> They were boxes of various codename colors. Steve had a Bluebox, used
> in phone booths making your call untraceable to you.

a blue box made free long distance calls, not untraceable calls, and
they were very traceable.

> If you unscrewed
> the microphone cover off the handset, you grounded the mic pin to the
> case of the payphone to get a dialtone without paying.

that's a different trick and not required for blue boxes.

> Now you dialed a
> long distance number and quickly reassembled the mic so it could hear
> your bluebox's special tones (DTMF are different frequencies than
> Touchtones but operate the same way).

dtmf is touchtone. the blue box used mf, a different set of tones

> When you hear the 2nd "click" of
> the "tandems", the long lines stations, connecting you pressed a button
> that generated I think it was 1700 Hz into the phone mic.

2600 hz.

> The 2nd
> tandem thought the first tandem hung up on it and stopped calling who it
> was calling. The circuit remained open because your local CO had no
> decode of that tone and the first tandem didn't comprehend tandem
> control tones coming from a CO...couldn't happen.

that part is basically correct.

> The world is now at your fingertips as you DTMF'd the new country code,
> area code, phone number into your bluebox keypad. Tandem 2 had already
> "cancelled" the call, so the accounting system said the call had
> terminated without connect (or charge). After that, no more billing was
> done.

wrong. you got charged for the original dialed call, which is why
people usually used 800 numbers because those were toll free.

> Tandem 2, however, still responded to your tones, passing the
> call along the proper route to as many tandems as necessary between you
> and the Melbourne Australia spoken weather service, one of our favorite
> demo calls....(c;]
>
> It's all gone, now. Digital replaced this analog system of audio tones
> on wires....

actually, the blue box era ended by ignoring control tones if they
originated from the caller and not the central office, followed by
separating the control signals completely from the voice path, not
digital signaling. even a 2600hz notch filter was all that was
necessary.

> but, of course, Bell System CONTINUED to CHARGE the same
> RATES for a "Long Distance" call as if the old tandem system still
> existed....even though on digital it cost the company the same money to
> call Australia as it does to call the house across the street your
> girlfriend lives in.

actual cost rarely has anything to do with the final price, and it does
*not* cost the same to call australia as it does across the street.

> Long Distance has been a Ma Bell/ATT ripoff since
> the 1980s. A new ripoff industry was created by the FCC in
> "deregulation". Vast companies sprung up to share in MaBell's long
> distance game...simply charging you to complete the digital call out of
> town at amazing profit margins....even if they were charging 5c/min.

it's actually much, much cheaper after deregulation than before.

> The game continues on landline. Don't feel sorry for them for the
> bluebox calls. One of my 2nd cousins worked at a Long Lines tandem.
> Each Christmas eve, he would be at the tandem and call the entire family
> into a huge megaconference around the country so everyone could wish
> everyone a merry xmas and swap stories for hours at Ma Bell's expense.
> Family reunions were better. Telephone conferencing doesn't have 8
> tables of home cooked FOOD for us kids to gorge on....(c;]
>
> Thanks for the memories, Vic. Building the boxes was great fun....even
> for Steve, I'm sure. Did Woz do it, too?

woz designed and built them.

On 11/24/09 4:17 PM, in article Xns9CCDAFE0E6D9Enoonehomecom@74.209.131.13,
"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote:

> "Droid Does have 'a fee for that':$3 monthly for Visual Voice Mail"
> <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:022a10c5-77ac-4c36-ab50-
> 1bf48b149a6f@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Did you know Steve Jobs, head of Apple hacked phones as a youth just
>> to screw with Ma Bell?
>>
>>
>
> They were boxes of various codename colors. Steve had a Bluebox, used
> in phone booths making your call untraceable to you. If you unscrewed
> the microphone cover off the handset, you grounded the mic pin to the
> case of the payphone to get a dialtone without paying. Now you dialed a
> long distance number and quickly reassembled the mic so it could hear
> your bluebox's special tones (DTMF are different frequencies than
> Touchtones but operate the same way). When you hear the 2nd "click" of
> the "tandems", the long lines stations, connecting you pressed a button
> that generated I think it was 1700 Hz into the phone mic. The 2nd
> tandem thought the first tandem hung up on it and stopped calling who it
> was calling. The circuit remained open because your local CO had no
> decode of that tone and the first tandem didn't comprehend tandem
> control tones coming from a CO...couldn't happen.
>
> The world is now at your fingertips as you DTMF'd the new country code,
> area code, phone number into your bluebox keypad. Tandem 2 had already
> "cancelled" the call, so the accounting system said the call had
> terminated without connect (or charge). After that, no more billing was
> done. Tandem 2, however, still responded to your tones, passing the
> call along the proper route to as many tandems as necessary between you
> and the Melbourne Australia spoken weather service, one of our favorite
> demo calls....(c;]
>
> It's all gone, now. Digital replaced this analog system of audio tones
> on wires....but, of course, Bell System CONTINUED to CHARGE the same
> RATES for a "Long Distance" call as if the old tandem system still
> existed....even though on digital it cost the company the same money to
> call Australia as it does to call the house across the street your
> girlfriend lives in. Long Distance has been a Ma Bell/ATT ripoff since
> the 1980s. A new ripoff industry was created by the FCC in
> "deregulation". Vast companies sprung up to share in MaBell's long
> distance game...simply charging you to complete the digital call out of
> town at amazing profit margins....even if they were charging 5c/min.
>
> The game continues on landline. Don't feel sorry for them for the
> bluebox calls. One of my 2nd cousins worked at a Long Lines tandem.
> Each Christmas eve, he would be at the tandem and call the entire family
> into a huge megaconference around the country so everyone could wish
> everyone a merry xmas and swap stories for hours at Ma Bell's expense.
> Family reunions were better. Telephone conferencing doesn't have 8
> tables of home cooked FOOD for us kids to gorge on....(c;]
>
> Thanks for the memories, Vic. Building the boxes was great fun....even
> for Steve, I'm sure. Did Woz do it, too?
>

I knew about the grounding with a paperclip to get the dial tone, but the
rest is something that any Geek would be proud.

Nice story!

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:241120092026128112%
nospam@nospam.invalid:

> 2600 hz.
>

Oh boy...old age sucks...


--
Larry

In article <Xns9CCDAFE0E6D9Enoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> (DTMF are different frequencies than
> Touchtones but operate the same way)....
>
> It's all gone, now. Digital replaced this analog system of audio tones
> on wires....

wow, your level of knowledge on this is....so typically you...

In article <241120092026128112%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > It's all gone, now. Digital replaced this analog system of audio tones
> > on wires....
>
> actually, the blue box era ended by ignoring control tones if they
> originated from the caller and not the central office, followed by
> separating the control signals completely from the voice path, not
> digital signaling. even a 2600hz notch filter was all that was
> necessary.

shhhhhh, you'll upset Larry when you reveal to him (yet again?) that he
really doesn't know anything he blathers on about.

nospam wrote:
> In article <hefbcb$u2g$1@posting2.glorb.com>, WindsorFox
> <windsor.fox.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OMG! Are you a complete idiot? "Oh I choose a closed 16 or 32GB
>> instead of an SD card that would give me an infinite amount of memory
>> space because some moron might be capable of losing it." Yeah, that's a
>> solid piece of advice. I used a Moto L7 for a couple of years and never
>> lost the card, and it was easily accessable, unlike the one on the Droid.
>
> most *Apple* users don't fill 16 gig, why would they care to have an infinite
> amount of storage?


Fixed that for ya....

--
..



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comment on. Fortunately, they were not burdened
by Microsoft shitware which fails to properly
implement a decade-old standard. - Sam