Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in
news:1088v2t5muqf5i8cgaeivdfdto0ak1fin1@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:47:39 -0500, Rich <rich@donotsendmeemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>the moto v710 is a tri-mode phone. i have 2 and they are fine. the
>>710's are not a current phone but they can be had on eBay.
>
> Great Tri-mode phone...it can also be easily hacked so it performs as
> Motorola designed and not as Verizon crippled it.
>
They'll use the excuse of its lack of government-mandated GPS tracking to
keep it off their systems, a convenient excuse to stop putting more RF
power in the hands of users.....just like V60 or other V-series phones.
Larry
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Pegleg wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:47:39 -0500, Rich <rich@donotsendmeemail.com>
> wrote:
>>the moto v710 is a tri-mode phone.
>
> Great Tri-mode phone...it can also be easily hacked so it performs as
> Motorola designed and not as Verizon crippled it.
Everything I've read suggests there aren't a lot of things one can fix.
Specifically, from what I've read, OBEX is impossible.
George wrote:
> Steven J. Sobol wrote:
>> jdoe wrote:
>>> What for? Analog will be gone soon so who cares?
>>
>> Verizon won't have it any more.
>
> I routinely travel in 5 states and have had a digital only phone for
> over 2 years and have never had issues. At least it the areas I travel
> (which include a lot of sparsely populated areas) there have been
> significant system buildouts.
And I can still go to the Menard's (big-box lumber etc. store) in
Bolingbrook IL, stand in the parking lot and get nothing but analog
connection. Bolingbrook isn't exactly a small town, nor is it far from
other towns. As long as there's a place less than twenty miles from home
(and for that matter, less than 20 miles from downtown Chicago) where I
can go and not get a digital connection, I'll be suspicious of claims
that I don't need analog.
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:18:33 -0500, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Great Tri-mode phone...it can also be easily hacked so it performs as
>> Motorola designed and not as Verizon crippled it.
>
>Everything I've read suggests there aren't a lot of things one can fix.
>Specifically, from what I've read, OBEX is impossible.
The hacks are readily available...I did the OBEX hack and the BT hack.
Everything works fine. I use the phone with MPT and transfer mp3/jpgs
and more.
Pegleg wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:18:33 -0500, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Everything I've read suggests there aren't a lot of things one can fix.
>>Specifically, from what I've read, OBEX is impossible.
>
> The hacks are readily available...I did the OBEX hack and the BT hack.
> Everything works fine. I use the phone with MPT and transfer mp3/jpgs
> and more.
Then I shall have to look a little harder for the goodies, I suppose.
Got pointers?
clifto wrote:
> George wrote:
>> Steven J. Sobol wrote:
>>> jdoe wrote:
>>>> What for? Analog will be gone soon so who cares?
>>> Verizon won't have it any more.
>> I routinely travel in 5 states and have had a digital only phone for
>> over 2 years and have never had issues. At least it the areas I travel
>> (which include a lot of sparsely populated areas) there have been
>> significant system buildouts.
>
> And I can still go to the Menard's (big-box lumber etc. store) in
> Bolingbrook IL, stand in the parking lot and get nothing but analog
> connection. Bolingbrook isn't exactly a small town, nor is it far from
> other towns. As long as there's a place less than twenty miles from home
> (and for that matter, less than 20 miles from downtown Chicago) where I
> can go and not get a digital connection, I'll be suspicious of claims
> that I don't need analog.
>
Here is a good experiment. The previous phone I had was a trimode.
Sometimes as you described it would switch to analog mode which would
lead you to believe it had to. And even worse it would sometimes switch
when I wasn't making any calls and rapidly discharge the battery.
I disabled analog (on that phone you went into the service menu and
picked CDMA only) and found I never needed to re-enable it and had no
issues even in the areas where it would previously flip into analog
mode. It was retired with analog disabled and now I have a digital only
phone for over two years and have never had an issue.
"Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:slrnev5r7m.euv.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
> In article <4oWdnVV0zrU-Bm_YnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@insightbb.com>, jdoe wrote:
>> What for? Analog will be gone soon so who cares?
>
> Verizon won't have it any more.
>
> Several rural carriers need it and are continuing to use it.
>
> If you never leave the big cities, it probably makes no difference
> whether your phone has analog capability or not.
>
> --
> Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl **
> Linux/*BSD/Windows
> Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
>
> It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
I'm a mile and a northwest of Philadelphia and I loose digital signal as
soon as I turn onto my street. Amps comes in loud and clear so I care very
much about keeping analogue alive.
I've been holding off upgrading my v710 for a few months until I can find a
suitable tri-mode replacement.
Zeppo wrote:
> "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnev5r7m.euv.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
>> In article <4oWdnVV0zrU-Bm_YnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@insightbb.com>, jdoe wrote:
>>> What for? Analog will be gone soon so who cares?
>> Verizon won't have it any more.
>>
>> Several rural carriers need it and are continuing to use it.
>>
>> If you never leave the big cities, it probably makes no difference
>> whether your phone has analog capability or not.
>>
>> --
>> Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl **
>> Linux/*BSD/Windows
>> Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
>>
>> It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
>
> I'm a mile and a northwest of Philadelphia and I loose digital signal as
> soon as I turn onto my street. Amps comes in loud and clear so I care very
> much about keeping analogue alive.
I will bet that if you disable analog on your phone you will find that
the service is fine on your street. Philly really has good coverage and
it is very unlikely there are any analog only cells there. So that means
if you get an analog signal you should also get a digital signal and it
is likely your phone is being stupid. Look for my post in this thread.
My old trimode phone used to do weird stuff like that. There was one
spot on the Interstate not far from my house where there is a long curve
around a mountain. My old phone would frequently kick the call into
analog when I was going through there. I disabled analog and there was
never an issue.
>
> I've been holding off upgrading my v710 for a few months until I can find a
> suitable tri-mode replacement.
>
> Jon
>
>
> Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in
> news:1088v2t5muqf5i8cgaeivdfdto0ak1fin1@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:47:39 -0500, Rich <rich@donotsendmeemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> the moto v710 is a tri-mode phone. i have 2 and they are fine. the
>>> 710's are not a current phone but they can be had on eBay.
>>
>> Great Tri-mode phone...it can also be easily hacked so it performs as
>> Motorola designed and not as Verizon crippled it.
>>
>
> They'll use the excuse of its lack of government-mandated GPS
> tracking to keep it off their systems, a convenient excuse to stop
> putting more RF power in the hands of users.....just like V60 or
> other V-series phones.
>
>
>
> Larry
Larry, you do realize that by forgetting the smiley that comment makes you
look like a freakin' paranoid nut job, doen't you?
Bob
On 2007-03-11, The Other Funk <bobbie@moondoggie.com> wrote:
> I've been out of the business for a couple of years now so maybe I
> mis-remember this but I thought that the FCC set the output power limit for
> digital at 200mW.
No, the regulations are quite agnostic about the transmission mode. For
the PCS band the regulations are in Part 24 here
but have changed hugely since I last paid attention; all the AMPS-related
stuff I remember is gone. The only limit I can find in there now is in 22.913
and is 7W ERP for handsets, again with no mention of mode, though I could
be missing something.
The only trick with either of these is that specifying the power as ERP
or EIRP means you are supposed to reduce the RF output of the phone
as you improve the antenna, which people interested in running high
power usually skip.
Tri Mode
Linear Mode
