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Old November 30th, 2007, 12:38 AM
Larry
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Default XV-6800 WiFi. Is it usable without a Verizon Data Plan, or do they somehow prevent its use.

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:fimm9d$met$1@aioe.org:

> I know- I've looked at the 800 a couple of times, but I think

after
> years of using WinMo devices, I'm not ready to buy into yet

another
> "not quite a real PC" format, particularly when the Eee PC and

Intel's
> similar flash- based mini-laptops running "real" Windows are

within
> reach.
>
>


I dual-booted Red Hat Linux/Windoze for a couple of years, then
got away from Linux as the software, at that time, never seemed
to get "stable" because the very young people coding had short
attention spans before moving on to something more interesting to
them. Code was just left hangin'.

So, when I held my first N800 burning my fingers, I was supposed
to be disappointed by its Linux hacker roots. Some of that
unfinished business is still present, but there are loads of
TEAMS working on some really neat, REALLY TINY CODED stuff like
Maemo Mapper that makes it great!

This morning, while on free wifi at breakfast in a diner next to
a bar with free wifi..(c;...I downloaded Peekaboo from maemo.org.
It's just been "released", which means it runs for an hour
without crashing in Linuxspeak. Peekaboo turns the tablet into a
webcam server that anyone can use. It creates a webpage that,
unfortunately for now, doesn't tunnel its way through the
routers, so you'll need to PORT it if you want it on the net for
others. The software couldn't be simpler to operate...pop out
the N800's little webcam, boot Peekaboo then press its ONLY
button to start it streaming. There's a TV box the development
team says will, "someday", show us the video before streaming it,
but it doesn't function, yet. Remotely, you just http://the
tablet's IP address, port 8080 and it streams back to your on
port 8888. Just these little gadgets keep popping up almost
daily! A team forms around them because Nokia had the foresight
to give them all a place to congregate, chat and develop,
maemo.org. Sheer genius on Nokia's part. They don't have to do
much coding to sell it at all....just let the hackers have at it
for all to enjoy.

Linux, and Linux tablets aren't what they were when I lost
interest in begging root to do something. Hell, I nearly threw
my laptop out in the trash, today. I have a BT USB dongle and
have never tried to pair the ROKR Z6M's DUN to my WinXP laptop so
I could use it without wifi. Bluetooth pairing the phone to the
N800 is a 2 minute job, even for a novice. After delving many
layers into the Windows Bullshit trying to obfuscate using BT DUN
as much as possible, I FINALLY got it working without hiring an
MSCE to pair it. Why does it have to be SO HARD?! The N800 does
it in about 6 keystrokes!...DUHH! After I got it paired and
turned on DUN, OBEX, OBEX PUSH, FTP so I could also get stuff on
and off the phone from the laptop, I find out the STUPID
interface software ONLY GOES 115,000 BAUD like we're using RS-
232C from 1988! BT to the little Linux box runs 800-900K on
EVDO...but NOT THE DAMNED WINDOWS XP FROM GATEWAY with its
WINDOWS SERIAL PORT! It's got USB2 ports, now I have to find a
way to INCREASE ACCESS SPEED TO THEM!....(sigh)

I need to check on a new software from Kensington, the dongle's
manufacturer. Haven't done that, yet. Maybe they have a hack.

Larry
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Of course, if you get adventurous, it has XTERM so you can
destroy it like the old days...(c; If you destroy it, you simply
plug in the USB cable to the Windoze box and run the Nokia Maemo
update, again, to put it back....minus everything you ever
installed, of course....(c;
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Old November 30th, 2007, 01:07 AM
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Default XV-6800 WiFi. Is it usable without a Verizon Data Plan, or dothey somehow prevent its use.

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 28 Nov 2007 12:15:25 -0800 SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to ensure that it never connects via Verizon EV-DO
>> and starts charging me for data?

>
> I only have experience with GSM WinMo PPC phones, not CDMA, but in all the
> PPCs I've used (with and without phones), you can select what "network"
> (WinMo calls a group of connection settings a "network" for whatever reason)
> the device uses to connect to the internet or private networks in the
> connections menu.
>
> You could either delete the default Verizon cellular modem connections, or
> create a new blank network without any cellular modem connections defined.
> An empty network will use WiFi (or Bluetooth PAN) but no "modem" connections.
> I have such a network setup on my HTC Wizard that I called "No GPRS" that
> I switch to when roaming internationally to ensure I avoid the $15/MB T-Mo
> charges for data roaming.


Well it's all moot, as I can't get the XV-6800 through the checkout. It
gives me the option to keep my current plan, but then insists "You must
select a PDA/Smartphone option" with the only option being "Unlimited
Data Usage$44.99/month." If I don't select it, it comes back with
"Please select a PDA/Smartphone feature for your Verizon Wireless
XV6800. You can select the option with no monthly fee." But of course
there is no such option.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 11:38 AM
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Default XV-6800 WiFi. Is it usable without a Verizon Data Plan, or dothey somehow prevent its use.

On Nov 28, 2:15 pm, SMS $B;[h\J8(B* $B2F(B <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> I'd be interested in getting the XV-6800, but using it on my current
> plan with no data service. I only really care about WiFi usage. There's
> enough free WiFi in the places I frequent that I can get by with no EV-DO.
>
> Is there a way to ensure that it never connects via Verizon EV-DO and
> starts charging me for data?


I had a similar issue recently. I wanted to get a smartphone with
Windows Mobile, so I could synch to my PC's Outlook. However I did
not want "push" e-mail to my phone. I wanted to leave my plan as is -
the old $5 a month mobile web plan (no longer available). Verizon
would not let me get a smart phone without getting a data plan - at
least another $20 a month... so I decided to go low tech and keep a
Motorola phone that I could at least synch to contacts and calendar
usiing Motorola phone tools.
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Default XV-6800 WiFi. Is it usable without a Verizon Data Plan, or do they somehow preventits use.

At 29 Nov 2007 21:06:52 -0800 SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:


> Well it's all moot, as I can't get the XV-6800 through the checkout.
> It gives me the option to keep my current plan, but then insists
> "You must select a PDA/Smartphone option" with the only option being
> "Unlimited Data Usage$44.99/month." If I don't select it, it comes
> back with "Please select a PDA/Smartphone feature for your Verizon
> Wireless XV6800. You can select the option with no monthly fee."
> But of course there is no such option.



Probably a case of the website not keeping up with policy! IIRC, Verizon
recently added a $0/month, $2/MB plan that you can choose for smartphones
and PDAs. You might try calling them- I suspect you could sweettalk their
telesales folks into matching the web price if a site error is preventing
the transaction from completing...

Good luck!



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Default XV-6800 WiFi. Is it usable without a Verizon Data Plan, or do they somehow prevent its use.

>SMS ??? ? <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>Well it's all moot, as I can't get the XV-6800 through the checkout. It
>gives me the option to keep my current plan, but then insists "You must
>select a PDA/Smartphone option" with the only option being "Unlimited
>Data Usage$44.99/month." If I don't select it, it comes back with
>"Please select a PDA/Smartphone feature for your Verizon Wireless
>XV6800. You can select the option with no monthly fee." But of course
>there is no such option.


PDA/phones, Smartphones, data cards, and Blackberries have all required
a data plan for years.
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Default XV-6800 WiFi. Is it usable without a Verizon Data Plan, or dothey somehow prevent its use.

Dave Rudisill wrote:
>> SMS ???• ? <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
>> Well it's all moot, as I can't get the XV-6800 through the checkout. It
>> gives me the option to keep my current plan, but then insists "You must
>> select a PDA/Smartphone option" with the only option being "Unlimited
>> Data Usage$44.99/month." If I don't select it, it comes back with
>> "Please select a PDA/Smartphone feature for your Verizon Wireless
>> XV6800. You can select the option with no monthly fee." But of course
>> there is no such option.

>
> PDA/phones, Smartphones, data cards, and Blackberries have all required
> a data plan for years.


As Todd stated, there is now supposed to be a "pay as you go" plan for
data. You get an extra device discount if you sign up for a data plan
above a certain cost, but it isn't supposed to be required any more.

I think I may pass on Verizon. I only care about WiFi data, and if I go
with Verizon I'll need to give up my tri-mode phone which I still need
in many places I travel (or switch phones whenever I travel into AMPS
areas). I may get a quad-band unlocked PDA/phone and activate it on
T-Mobile prepaid. I know people that use the iPhone on T-Mobile and they
are happy with the WiFi part of it, if not the cellular coverage. I
really want the GPS functionality which Apple forgot to include in the
iPhone's first version.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 07:41 PM
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Default XV-6800 WiFi. Is it usable without a Verizon Data Plan, or do they somehow prevent its use.

>SMS ??? ? <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>Dave Rudisill wrote:
>>> SMS ??? ? <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>>
>>> Well it's all moot, as I can't get the XV-6800 through the checkout. It
>>> gives me the option to keep my current plan, but then insists "You must
>>> select a PDA/Smartphone option" with the only option being "Unlimited
>>> Data Usage$44.99/month." If I don't select it, it comes back with
>>> "Please select a PDA/Smartphone feature for your Verizon Wireless
>>> XV6800. You can select the option with no monthly fee." But of course
>>> there is no such option.

>>
>> PDA/phones, Smartphones, data cards, and Blackberries have all required
>> a data plan for years.

>
>As Todd stated, there is now supposed to be a "pay as you go" plan for
>data. You get an extra device discount if you sign up for a data plan
>above a certain cost, but it isn't supposed to be required any more.


The new pricing that started November 1 is not for using your
PDA/Smartphone for Internet access the way most of us do. It's for
Mobile Web use, replacing the previous $5/month plan.
http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=2515

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